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Review: AMD Phenom X3 8750: tri-core Phenom to challenge Intel's Core 2 Duo?

by Parm Mann on 23 April 2008, 04:15

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Final thoughts

In November 2007, we concluded that AMD's Phenom X4 9600 was no match for Intel's Core 2 Quad Q6600.

In April 2008, we concluded that AMD's improved Phenom X4 9850 was no match for Intel's Core 2 Quad Q6600.

Today, we're having to conclude that AMD's tri-core Phenom X3 8750 is no match for Intel's Core 2 Quad Q6600, and barely a threat to Intel's Core 2 Duo E8200.

That, however, might be a little harsh. It has taken far too long for AMD's liking, but Phenom is finally beginning to take shape. TLB erratum 298 is fast becoming history and a slew of decent, albeit not awe-inspiring, Phenom processors now make up the Phenom range.

Around six months ago, there was practically no AMD CPU that could be recommended against Intel's all-conquering Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Quad series of chips. Now, though Intel still remains performance king and obvious recommendation, there is a reasonable alternative from AMD.

AMD's quad-core Phenom X4 series falls short of Intel's Core 2 Quad in terms of performance and we've stated on a few occasions that AMD's fastest quad-core offering is slower than Intel's slowest. That still rings true, but the AMD alternative isn't a bad choice for users of the AM2 socket looking for an upgrade.

The Phenom X3 8750 makes things a little more interesting. It isn't a bad all-rounder, and its one major drawback right now is its price. At present, it isn't priced competitively enough against chips such as Intel's Core 2 Duo E8200. If the Phenom X3 8750 was to see its price drop to sub-Ā£110, the Phenom X3 series of chips would suddenly become a feasible alternative to Intel's Core 2 Duo. Though, is that really the answer? Perhaps not.

Though you, the consumers, are enjoying Intel's aggressive pricing, it isn't suiting AMD. The quad-core market is currently dominated by Intel's Q6600 and the dual-core market by Intel's array of Core 2 Duo processors. If AMD was to lower its Phenom X3 and Phenom X4 prices further, Intel would no doubt follow suit - that's a battle that only Intel can win.

What AMD really needs to help bolster its Phenom line-up is higher clocked CPUs, and it needs them quick. Without the ability to compete in the ultra high-end market, AMD is unable to charge ridiculous amounts as Intel does with its Extreme Edition parts.

AMD would argue that it isn't solely about the processor, it's also largely about platform. Granted, a system based on the Spider platform may offer more than an equivalent Intel system, and possibly at a lower price too. But, at present, Phenom doesn't offer the processor performance to compare with Intel's counterparts.

The Phenom X3 8750, and X3 series, provides AMD with a much needed successor to the ageing Athlon 64, and is almost comparable in terms of performance to Intel's Core 2 Duo.

HEXUS Awards

Despite AMD's Phenom X3 ambition, HEXUS still believes Intel's Core 2 Quad Q6600 to be the best value purchase for a new system builder.

Users residing on the AM2(+) platform, however, will find a multitude of upgrade paths now available. Upgrading to an AMD Phenom X3 8750 will prove to be a better value proposition than to switch to an Intel-based system.

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boy this is such a great analogy to how 3dfx got trounced by Nvidia and everyone was wishing the Voodoo 5 6000 would come and save the day..
AMD needs their 45nm chips ASAP. That's the only way clock speeds are going to be raised to 3Ghz+ and these chips will come with a slew of other enhancements.
Something not quite right here..

USA Pricing - (Phenom X3 prices (1000) units)

Phenom X3 8750 (2.40 GHz) $197 (Using XE.com this is £99.81)
Phenom X3 8650 (2.30 GHz) $167 (Using XE.com this is £84.61)
Phenom X3 8450 (2.10 GHz) $146 (Using XE.com this is £73.96)

Got this list from THG it doesnt quote a source for the figures.

This doesnt really match with the prices of thoose models available from Scan, Komplett in the UK..

Phenom X3 8750 (2.40 GHz) £128.08 (Scan)
Phenom X3 8650 (2.30 GHz) £109.26 (Scan)
Phenom X3 8450 (2.10 GHz) £95.75 (Scan)

If the UK pricing was closer the USA pricing im sure these would be selling like hot cakes. Maybe its just the usual post-launch price hike before the price settles back down.
First of all, thank you editors at Hexus for making my first PC build a wonderful experience. I've been able to select all my parts that, with your help, have been the perfect balance of value and performance (for me).

AMD's major problem is that Intel is too far ahead of them in manufacturing technology. I don't see AMD ever being able to compete with Intel on the high end unless their research scientists and engineers have a major breakthrough (like they discover something other than photolithography that allows them to print features under the 29nm mark, supposedly the smallest photolithography can do). Otherwise, their business model needs to be what it always was, namely, focusing on technology that is obsolete to Intel and cornering the budget PC market. They made a mistake when they got swept away in the hype of claiming they had a “quad core” and trying to compete with Intel performance wise. What they should have done was stuck only with 65nm technology and focused on producing chips for less money. A dual-core 3.2 GHz processor that sells for half the price of Intel's E8400 could have stood a chance. Instead they spent all their money developing a quad core that they had to sell at a similar price as Intel's high end dual cores, yet is not as good. Their business model should have been “AMD processors all for under $150.” Instead the wasted time developing the 9850 and 9950 BE with inferior technology, ending up with some quad core processors that can't compete.

Personally I don't think they can do it. Their stock price has dropped 90% and I don't see them recovering. Their best option is a new focus. They have the facilities now to start producing all-in-one GPU/CPU builds, so maybe they should try opening up a new market. In any event, you won't see me investing in them anytime soon.
Amd sucks right now.In the cpu field they are almost dead,and in the gpu field they will be dead soon.Nvidia is smart with physics and other implementations.Amd is just raw power and old architecture,both gpu and cpu wise.