Conclusion

After reviewing the P150 recently we had high hopes of its bigger brother, but, in all honesty, it was a huge disappointment. It seems that whilst some of its design features are very clever, Antec has become the victim of the rapidly changing hardware market, with space being at a premium in certain parts of the chassis. This led to the cooling and, possibly, configuration being compromised.

In comparison with the Akasa Eclipse 62 there is no competition in terms of space - the Akasa wins hands down, but it does lack the clever touches that the P180 brings to the table.

What we can say is that the P180 has suffered with time. It promised so much but provides too many headaches in today’s market to recommend. If anything, it might be time for Antec to create a case with the same features, just with bigger proportions, the P180 XL, anybody?

With that in mind, we'll be looking at the P180 replacement and noting what Antec has done to deliver a case better suited to present times. Stay tuned, everyone.

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The way you're examining the thermal performance, your comparisons, and your interpretation of your own data leaves barrel-lots to be desired.

A general point: You never discuss the # of fans used in each case, or the speeds at which they are spinning. How can you possibly make fair thermal comparisons without trying to keep either airflow or noise (one or the other) consistent for each case? Or at least make information about fans and speeds available to the reader.

1) One assumes, one hopes, that you installed and used the same system in each case but because you never say this, the question has to be asked. Did you?

2) Why report some temperature vaguely “near” the CPU when the CPU core temperature is available from the mb? The former is complely dependent on specifics of airflow in each case; the latter is incontrovertible. This is a no-brainer.

3) Ditto the temps of the install HDDs – why not get the readings directly off the HDD thermal sensors?

4) The significance of the differences in the PSU exhaust temperatures is so blithely misunderstood it's astonishing. It shiould be obvious that the P180 PSU exhaust has the lowest temp because none of the system's heat except the HDDs is being ported through it. What's not as obvious is that this is a key reason for its lower noise – under load. When the system is worked hard, more power is delivered to the components, which = more heat. In the other systems, a lot of this heat has to exhaust through the PSU, which makes the thermally controlled fan in the PSU speed up to compensate. In the P180, this occurs at a far higher power load level, because it doesn't have to deal with the system's heat. While the same PSU in the other cases are getting louder, in the P180 the PSU remains much quieter.

Did you pay any attention during testing? Did you listen?

5) There are 4 drive bays in the lower chamber HDD cage, and this is meant to be the main HDD cage. They are cooled by the PSU's own fan.

BTW, in the latest P180s, Antec supplies adapter clips to turn the upper HDD cage into an intake fan duct for a 120mm fan to cool graphics cards. The latest versions also come with ventilated PCI slot covers which, in combination with the front mounted 120mm fan, can help exhaust the heat of the VGA in a straight line out the back. This is far better than the separate VGA duct system, which was never a useful feature, and which is no longer being supplied with the case.

Have to agree with the final bit (though the other points are quite harsh and I would like to say the review is good).

I have taken a look at the latest P180b and the video card cooling with the clip is very efficient and better than the old vga duct system

mikec@spcr
The way you're examining the thermal performance, your comparisons, and your interpretation of your own data leaves barrel-lots to be desired.

A general point: You never discuss the # of fans used in each case, or the speeds at which they are spinning. How can you possibly make fair thermal comparisons without trying to keep either airflow or noise (one or the other) consistent for each case? Or at least make information about fans and speeds available to the reader.

1) One assumes, one hopes, that you installed and used the same system in each case but because you never say this, the question has to be asked. Did you?

2) Why report some temperature vaguely “near” the CPU when the CPU core temperature is available from the mb? The former is complely dependent on specifics of airflow in each case; the latter is incontrovertible. This is a no-brainer.

3) Ditto the temps of the install HDDs – why not get the readings directly off the HDD thermal sensors?

4) The significance of the differences in the PSU exhaust temperatures is so blithely misunderstood it's astonishing. It shiould be obvious that the P180 PSU exhaust has the lowest temp because none of the system's heat except the HDDs is being ported through it. What's not as obvious is that this is a key reason for its lower noise – under load. When the system is worked hard, more power is delivered to the components, which = more heat. In the other systems, a lot of this heat has to exhaust through the PSU, which makes the thermally controlled fan in the PSU speed up to compensate. In the P180, this occurs at a far higher power load level, because it doesn't have to deal with the system's heat. While the same PSU in the other cases are getting louder, in the P180 the PSU remains much quieter.

Did you pay any attention during testing? Did you listen?

5) There are 4 drive bays in the lower chamber HDD cage, and this is meant to be the main HDD cage. They are cooled by the PSU's own fan.

BTW, in the latest P180s, Antec supplies adapter clips to turn the upper HDD cage into an intake fan duct for a 120mm fan to cool graphics cards. The latest versions also come with ventilated PCI slot covers which, in combination with the front mounted 120mm fan, can help exhaust the heat of the VGA in a straight line out the back. This is far better than the separate VGA duct system, which was never a useful feature, and which is no longer being supplied with the case.

Just for the record, you worked with them on development on this chassis right?

Thanks

DR

Never liked the P180 and still dont, not only is it very cramped but airflow is particularly poor, due in part to the relative inability to decently tidy all the cables away.

The SLK3000 is a much better & far cheaper design, personally I think the P180 is just a bit of a bling case.

As for silent pc review's comments, a bit harsh, but some nuggets of truth….. Apart from:

“Why report some temperature vaguely ”near“ the CPU when the CPU core temperature is available from the mb? The former is complely dependent on specifics of airflow in each case; the latter is incontrovertible. This is a no-brainer.”

Incontravertable in what sense?? In that the motherboard sensors can be as much as 10c out depending on what board you have??? Oh dear, school boy error :). Much better would be a thermal probe.

I'm just wondering what the dimensions of that Tagan PSU you used where?

I fitted a Silverstone Strider 560w PSU into the case with a bit of clearence and some cable tidying