AMD Ryzen 5 3400G and Ryzen 3 3200G APUs spotted

by Mark Tyson on 17 May 2019, 10:11

AMD is almost ready to reveal its latest APUs, sometimes referred to as the Picasso APUs. These Ryzen 3000 series APUs might not stoke up that much excitement, as they are based upon the 12nm process, and Zen+ CPU cores (compared to the 7nm Zen 2 cores of the upcoming CPUs), but they will be welcome upgrades nonetheless. Prolific chip leaker Tum Apisak has revealed some interesting details of the upcoming AM4 Picasso APUs ahead of release.

In a short Tweet, as in the screenshot above, Apisak told followers that he had unearthed evidence of an AMD Ryzen 5 2400G and a Ryzen 3 3200G. He added clockspeed indications that the Ryzen 5 3400G would come with a base/boost of 3.7 - 4.2GHz, and the Ryzen 3 3200G would offer 3.6 - 4.0GHz. Later on he confirmed that the core/thread counts would remain as previously and shared a link to the SiSoftware Official Live Ranker entry for the AMD Ryzen 5 3400G.

	R3 2200G	R3 3200G	R5 2400G	R5 3400G
Cores/Threads	4/4	*4/4*	4/8	*4/8*
Base Clock	3.5GHz	*3.6GHz*	3.6GHz	*3.7GHz*
Boost Clock	3.7GHz	*4.0GHz*	3.9GHz	*4.2GHz*
GPU shaders	512 @1000MHz	*512*?	704 @1250MHz	*704*?
TDP	65W	*65W?*	65W	*65W?*
Launch Price	$99	?	$169	?

Above I have tabulated the old vs new, Raven Ridge vs Picasso, stats that we are reasonably certain about. It isn't expected that the Vega graphics compute units will be boosted in quantity or speeds. With that in mind the new AMD Ryzen 5 2400G and a Ryzen 3 3200G are likely to boast Vega 11 and Vega 8 respectively, with the numeral suffix signifying the Compute Units (CU) count.

To recap, Picasso is an optical die shrink of existing Raven Ridge APU parts from 14nm to 12nm, from Zen to Zen+. These APUs are expected to launch soon. However, we don't have any firm schedule information for the next-gen APU that will feature Zen2 cores other than it is expected to be codenamed Renoir and will arrive in 2020.

HEXUS reviewed the AMD Ryzen 5 2400G and Ryzen 3 2200G back in February 2018.

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One the one hand - it's nice to see an update.
On the other, it's been a long time coming, and it's fairly minor. However there is a rumour of a 3600G to come later this year with Navi and Zen 2.

Still, the higher boost clocks and slightly improved IPC (3%) aren't to be sniffed at.

If they can also give a 100MHz boost on the GPU that would help too. And maybe pricing at $89/$139 …

As sykobee says, a minor update, but always appreciated.

These parts are really important, though. When building general purpose PCs for sensible prices for the bulk “non gamer” audience, integrated graphics are very important. Even on Intel's higher end parts (i5, i7), the integrated graphics are a real boon for most business customers.

So, it is good to see AMD improving these parts, as they represent some of AMD's most desireable “maintream” parts.

This is made all the more important because both AMD and Nvidia have neglected low-end video cards for years. Almost all sub 70ukp parts are rebadges of 10 year old (roughly) designs - some are even end-of-life for drivers!

Indeed, I can't help feeling there's a Hexus article in there somewhere. AMD/Nvidia assume that low end card users will now be using integrated graphics, but none of the high-core-count CPUs offer that. A business user must either pay for 3D gaming features they may not want, or fall back to cards so anaemic that they damage the overall performance even in 2D tasks.

Indeed, this is a problem I have to grit my teeth with every day - I need to run DX7 era purely-2D software at high resolutions (3840x1440 or 4k). This requires a modern GPU with displayport or HDMI 2.0 for 60fps, with moderate bandwidth. Intel/AMD APUs manage this no problem, but finding a low end GPU with suitable connections and fast enough bus is a pain - I've ended up with a 4GB AMD 480 which is massive overkill.

To recap, Picasso is an optical die shrink of existing Raven Ridge APU parts from 14nm to 12nm

Erm, Picasso isn't a shrink of Raven Ridge, ISTR RR was Zen whereas Picasso is Zen+. So it is a derivative, warmed over product but not a simple shrink. Not that I think optical shrinking (literally photo reducing the die masks) has worked for a really really long time, instead you have to re-make masks to the new design rules.

I had to look it up and even them i may have got confused, but WikiChips says it is, although reading over what you've said i think i maybe misunderstand. :undecided

Meh, we know the apu already from laptops. What remains unknown is mere details.

The elephant in the room is, we DONT “know” the new desktop am4 mobo being concurrently released.

Lets get real - this is the basic level - 4 core with IGP (the “sub-dgpu segment”?).

For an appropriate modern balance of the two in the huge business & entry level segment/pricepoint, Intel have no competitive answer except past utter dominance of of this conservative segment.

AMD dont have to do much to raw perf. Their real enemy is credibility (intel have helped heaps by having no product anyway). They win hands down already on paper.

What may well make the new APU devastatingly competitive for this segment, is a single very plausible improvement - a much faster link from the system to the X570 chipset on the new am4 platforms.

I am unconvinced this faster link is exclusive to zen2.

It seems more a modification to Fabric on the Zeppelin die to link in faster native Fabric protocol to the new chipset over the same four physical lanes.

The x570 uses the much greater bandwidth to provide 2 new nvme ports (totaling an extra 8GB/s alone), and all the pcie 2 lanes on the former am4 chipset, now become pcie 3 perf.

I don't think that the laptop apuS did not expand io, disproves my theory. The benefits have little benefit to laptops, and dont commercially justify a new chipset/platform.
It may take a while to sink in, but it leaves intel's competitive position in the dust.

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