MS knows that there's only so many times you can admit to being behind schedule before people start to get fed up.

It's a shame their new excuse is so lame.

i just wish that they would spend the time putting all the promised features that got dropped back into the os,(assuming that they can get them working).

Microsoft have obviously been taking lessons from the old British Rail. I.e. “leaves on the track” and “the wrong type of snow” causing train delays.

Wonder if the next delay will be because of un-auspicious planetary alignments ? or maybe consumers not being ready for the upgrade yet ?

I quite happy to wait for them to get it right - rather that than some half assed OS like Windows ME eh?

Just let them get on with the prodution of Vista and try to get it 99% working right. All this fuss about it is boring!

I remeber from the film “The Aviator” that Howard Hughes waited a long time for his Hells angles movie everyone keept saying “release it already”. The head of the project has said many times before Vista will be released when its ready, besides that there isnt much point to disscuss this.

Syn
I remeber from the film “The Aviator” that Howard Hughes waited a long time for his Hells angles movie everyone keept saying “release it already”. The head of the project has said many times before Vista will be released when its ready, besides that there isnt much point to disscuss this.

The reason for discussing it - of course - is that Microsoft keeps on coming up with hard dates and then keeps on changing them.

That absolutely is worthy of comment.

If the choice is between a version of Vista that works well and one that works a lot less well, then people would clearly want the better version even if it meant waiting longer.

However, what remains a mystery to me is how MS can say - and say it still - that it's going to be shipping some versions of Vista in November.

If there are major technical issues causing a delay to the versions that were - according to MS - finally going to turn up in January, then, surely, there are going to be technical issues with those versions that get released earlier, in November?

Bob Crabtree
The reason for discussing it - of course - is that Microsoft keeps on coming up with hard dates and then keeps on changing them.

That absolutely is worthy of comment.

If the choice is between a version of Vista that works well and one that works a lot less well, then people would clearly want the better version even if it meant waiting longer.

However, what remains a mystery to me is how MS can say - and say it still - that it's going to be shipping some versions of Vista in November.

If there are major technical issues causing a delay to the versions that were - according to MS - finally going to turn up in January, then, surely, there are going to be technical issues with those versions that get released earlier, in November?

They can release version in November as these are going to be for businesses. Which do not use any of the media functions etc which is causing hte delay of the consumer version which is meant to be media heavy.

Cheers

Nikumba

Nikumba
They can release version in November as these are going to be for businesses. Which do not use any of the media functions etc which is causing hte delay of the consumer version which is meant to be media heavy.

Cheers

Nikumba

Have you EVER, ANYWHERE, seen MS say this?

Or are you making an assumption or believing someone else's assumption?

Bob

Bob Crabtree
Have you EVER, ANYWHERE, seen MS say this?

Or are you making an assumption or believing someone else's assumption?

Bob

Th medica cantre component is requioring approx 60% code re-write to intergrate it into Vista. The business version is not having the media centre component.

Some information for you:

Details of the Business version: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/versions/business.mspx

Not a single mention of the meida centre component. A business doews not need the media centre so MS can ship Vista without it and allowing them to release in Q4 2006 and once the code re-write is done release it to the consumers in Q1 2007.

Nikumba

As a small system/server builder I’m happy with the MS decision, and it’s not because I’m taking an extravagant vacation. I’m not rich, I make about what any experienced and skilled technical worker makes. Employees want time off around the holidays too and I’m not stopping them. I run a skeleton crew of a few guys who don’t care about the holidays.

Look at it this way:

Before Vista is released, ALL system parts manufacturers need to build drivers and get them certified through WHQL.

Then I’ve got to design new systems, new drive images, customize a new pre-installation kit, and go through the complex WHQL qualification process to get the “Designed for Windows Vista” logo.

Then, once I’ve got my systems done, I need to photograph them, build marketing materials, and start out advertising campaign.

Then I’ve got to start building the “platforms” (stock systems without HDD, CPU, RAM)

It’s a pain. A lot of prework needs to be done. I’d like to see the program running and Vista certification going on right now for a holiday season release, but if they miss Christmas, we’re better off waiting until late first quarter.

Furthermore, I was one of these geeks never missing the opportunity to bash Microsoft. I thought they were a monopoly, sloppy programmers, and the destroyer of small business. But I’ve got to say, now that I’ve been working with them for a few years, that now hardware or software manufacturer has done more to help our business than Microsoft.

duke nukem to be released the day after windows vista:p

Nikumba
Th medica cantre component is requioring approx 60% code re-write to intergrate it into Vista. The business version is not having the media centre component.

Some information for you:

Details of the Business version: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/versions/business.mspx

Not a single mention of the meida centre component. A business doews not need the media centre so MS can ship Vista without it and allowing them to release in Q4 2006 and once the code re-write is done release it to the consumers in Q1 2007.

Nikumba

So what does that mean for the Windows Vista Ultimate Edition?

After seeing it this morning at CTS, I was quietly impressed with it to be honest…

If you read the article Vista is not delayed due to technical issues it is being delayed to allow distributors to recover from their Christmas holiday.;)

Delays Delays Delays, doen't feel you with confidence does it, I know its “not technical” this time but i wonder if its a sugar coating for a delay, allowing them more time to tweak it …

Just like everything else, they are dmaned if they do, damned if they dont. In fact in the Case of MS they get slammed whatever they do.

I'm liking the idea of Vista less and less with all the DRM that is getting shoved down our thoats these days.

Having seen the Vista and office 2007 presentation at CTS last Thursday, I have to say I was very impressed with it all.

As for the dates of release, they did mention a system builder release for November and public release Feb 2007, but we will have to wait and see.

Im waiting to get my Beta's next week so I can have another thing to break my laptop with!

Funkstar
Just like everything else, they are dmaned if they do, damned if they dont. In fact in the Case of MS they get slammed whatever they do.
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Amen.

Hehehe, you've got to have a little sympathy for Microsoft, they do get slated for just about everything.
Mind you, they do have a few billion dollars so perhaps that's where the sympathy is lost >_<

I'm rather looking forward to Vista, from what I've seen so far it looks very promising!
The recent previews of Live Anywhere have really managed to get me excited.

Does anybody happen to know if the Public Beta 2 is still on schedule? Last I read I ‘think’ it was scheduled for Q2 2006?

Hmmmmm…..

I am the presenter from CTS - my blog can be found at http://uksbsguy.com/blogs/doverton.

I have to put the record straight here. Microsoft will make Vista - all versions available to our volume license customers in November, and this will be followed up with a launch in January. When exactly in January is unknown, but this will be based on feedback from our parnters - OEM, system builder & retail. It could be the 1st day in January, or the last, but our partners will decide.

This is NOT NEW information - it was announced in a well publicised press release - http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/mar06/03-21WindowsVistaDeliveryPR.mspx

I will be blogging on Beta 2 on my blog and the site also has a forum for those who wish to discuss Vista.

ttfn

David

David - many thanks for posting that :) I can't wait for beta 2 to appear - is it going to be on MSDN again? I'm currently evaluating it and it's technogies for our company.

Beta 2 is almost upon us - I am running one of the candidates for beta 2. When it releases I expect it to be available through many channels, but since it will be available to the public, MSDN, Technet etc would be very likely for availability.

So, without promising, I think this is a yes :-)

ttfn

David

I saw a little news story - Vista launch could slip further - a couple of days ago on PC Advisor.

According to Martyn Williams, Steve Balmer delivered some shock news for consumers.

He reports:

The launch of the consumer version of Windows Vista, Microsoft's next OS (operating system), could be pushed back past the stated January launch date, company CEO Steve Ballmer said today.

My comment?

Just remember where you heard the news first - over two weeks ago on HEXUS.net - CTS - 2006 :: Windows Vista to be delayed again, according to MS.

So, David O, is there anything else you think needs adding to your previous comments?

Bob

It is true that there has been a story about this, however the product is still due to release Volume License customers in November, which means it will be ready, finished, packaged etc by then. As I said, when I was talking before, I was discussing our conversations with partners. The decision to wait unit Janaury for the general availability and launch event was heavily influenced by conversations with those partners and they continue to give us feedback.

I was not and still am not making some pre-announcement or suggesting any issue. In the UK sub we are working full steam ahead with the launch plans and there has been no change versus the announcements originally made.

Can I promise you that nothing will change - no - I am nowhere near that high or important in the company, but I expect us to launch when our quality gates are passed and our partners are ready. This is November for Volume License customers and January for General Availability.

As I have said from the beginning, any belief that I knew something different and was suggesting it was wrong, so from that point of view, I have never said we are moving the date, just that in conversations with some of the partners I know, they have given feedback as to when.

If Steve B or Bill Gates decides to make a change. I will find out the same time as everyone else in Microsoft - and at the moment, nothing is being discussed around this.

One final thing, since they are all built of the same code base, all versions of Vista will be finished at the same time, so when we ship in November, Ultimate down have to be finished otherwise the code base could change.

ttfn

David Overton
http://uksbsguy.com/blogs/doverton

Well Beta 2 doesn't work for me ;) Installed OK but first reboot, see the microsoft progress bar and then boom, and a flicker of a ?blue screen? and then a reset…
Weird as i've managed to install the previous builds ok :(

This is on my work pc (3.4 P4 with HT/EMT64 in 32bit mode, intel accelerator RAID array, 2 gig ram, nvidia 6x series card).