question 1, the answer is YES!
question 2, there are several factors, insane realism, every little thing you adjust cam effect sumthing els, just like real life. beautiful models and locations, great learning curve, the feeling of getting in behing a bf109 and blasting him away then trying to hide in cloud before his wingmen eat you alive! buy it, try it, u'll love it, if not take it back and swap it :)
miss anything lads?
Only two bits, Russ.
The realism is totally scalable, so you can have it as easy as you like, from having NO stall effects and being invulnerable to full engine management, high speed flutter and G-force induced blackouts…
Also, the online side has to be THE most satisfying in a game… EVER!
Words cannot describe the sense of anticipation as you climb like crazy, trying to get the height for the upcoming dogfight, then the nervousness as you spot your foe and try and make the decision as to when to turn into him to make your attack… then the excitement as it all comes together and you find yourself on his tail, being buffeted by his slipstream. Then you get the immense satisfaction of opening up on him and watching his plane disintergrate under your fire and you watch with amazement as he spins down, trailing smoke and flame. Then you get terror and fear as tracers rip past your cockpit and you realise the hunter is now the hunted and you spend frantic minutes heaving the stick all over the place trying everything to evade the guy on your tail. The relief when you lose him is immense so you set course for home and spend long minutes checking your six as you scream at high speed and low level back to base.
Add to all that the chatter from your team-mates over Teamspeak as they all live their own personal battles for their lives and it adds up to one intense game.
It may not have the pick up and play appeal of UT 2k3, it's a more relaxed game altogether, but when you're in the thick of it, with the bullets spanging off your ailerons and then severing your rudder cables, when your engine overheats after 5 minutes at full boost as you try to keep your speed above a stall in a tight, twisting dogfight, when you get a guy in your sights and rake your fire down his engine cowling and see oil smoke then flame burst from his plane… THEN you know you're playing THE best prop sim on the market.
ooh and the feeling when u make it home with half a plane and more bullet holes than metal. run out of fuel a mile form home and truy and glide it in.. while being blasted at from all directions, online is amazing!
Cool… would my box run it???… i have ADSL.. so the net wont be a problem would it?… my stats r in my sig…..
Yep, that'll most certainly run it, most likely on pretty much maxed out detail.
I'm running a 1700 clocked to 2400 with a REDai 9600 pro. No idea how it looks just yet as I only stuck the card in last night.
It used to look and play damn good on my XP1800 with a GF3 Ti500, so you're well in spec there.
Connection is fine too, one of our regular squadron pilots is on 56k and he gets along no problems.
You will have no problem with the rig..Its a bit memory hungrey so scale down the ground detail and you should be grand.
Buy it. Live it. Love it
:)
how do u join these squadrons??? do i need a bunch of mates??? sounds fun… ill get it… but if its crap… *shakes fist*
theres 1 squadron on these very boards, go buy the name of Marlins, like swordfish apparently? :p if your good enough, they may even take you under there wing so to speak (sorry or pun :p)
ooh and btw, buy IL-2 Forgotten Battles, not the normal IL2
hell.. after reading this thread I wanna go buy once again this game lol :)
IT is indeed an amazing game, so amazing that it's the only game on my computer for over 1 year.I used to play CounterStrike a lot and all sort of other games, but now there can be only one :)
Only thing I'ds ay is that you might want to get another stick of RAM.
he game is very RAM hungry and can stutter at times.
I can only echo the sentiments of my fellow pilots on this one. A better value and more immersive game you will most likely never find again - for £19 odd, you get SO MUCH detail, and truly endless gameplay value - no 2 sorties are ever the same - one day you might rake a bomber and send it earthwards with one shot, and some days you'll run out of ammo and hardly scratch it. Love it to bits, and scarily, I do actually get withdrawal symptoms if I don't fly for more than a couple of days….
OK i bought IL-2 Sturmokiv: Forgotten Battles!!!
GOING TO PLAY IT NOW!!
ITS TOOO HARD!!!!!!!!!!
and the graphics arnt THAT great…
Erm…, you got a joystick???
You need one for this as the keyboard don't cut it :p
There are some good cheap ones for ~£30- don't know what that translates to in Oz.
Look for Saitek Cyborg 3D Platinum/Gold/Evolution as that is what I, and a few others around here have got, and they are very good for the money- plenty of buttons, hatswitch, customizable hand rest.
Of course if you've already got one you can ignore all of that. Download hyperlobby (Sticky at top) and get onto Dedicated so you can have a fly with some others and practise your takeoffs/landings etc.
Stick with it. :) It can be hugely frustrating when you first start learning, but then greatly rewarding once you get the hang of it.
I recommend using the Quick Mission builder to get used to the flying and handling of a particular plane. Try it out in combat a few times. Then try landing it. Once down, try taking off again.
Good planes for learning in are the early series of the IL-2 (easy handling and very forgiving), later Yaks (3's and 9's), great performance and hard to get into too much trouble, and early 109s.
And use the tutorials provided. Those training missions are essential if you have no flight sim or flying experience.
And definitely get online and into the dogfight forums in hyperlobby.
The graphics will be as good as your card and PC can take. If you get into this game you will probably end up spending a small fortune upgrading the hardware on your PC. :D
OK ill do ALL the tutorials…
Which of these 2 would be better for this game???
THIS or
THIS ???
dosent realy bother me which one…. and theres only a $20 AU diff…
GFX are pretty spectacular if you wind it all up, check the screen shots sticky.
If your display doesn't look like that, try changing the mode and/or settings.
The clouds, the way the smoke spirals, the sea effects, the weathering on the planes (LOMAC still has this wrong IMO, even though its gfx are pretty spectacular), the trees look layered close up at ground level (youdont want to be that low down apart dfrom takeofff and landing, and you shouldn't be looking at the trees then anywya… ;)), but once up high, they look realistic enough.
The way that once you plane is shot up enough, you can see through the wings, either seeing the ammunition stacks or the scenery below.
Joysticks, not much difference between those two really, the extra button,maybe.
11 or 12 is plenty, though you cant have too many buttons.
I cant see whether either has the ‘twist’ rudder control. This makes life a lot easier
I'd go for the Extreme 3D being right handed, its more useful for me to have all the buttons on the left hand side of the stick.
Also cant see if the cheaper one has a Hat, but you'll definitely be needing one.
The Extreme 3D Pro has a twist grip (for rudder control), so it's probably best to go for that.
darn :D when I was typing that I spilt coffee all over my own joystick, let's hope it breaks so I'm forced into buying that X-45 ;)
just bought this game today, so far it seems great. just one problem though, i cant hit any thing :(
started using keyboard but that was impossable, now im using my microsoft sidewinder gamepad pro thingy - it has sort of analoge mini joystick thingy which is good enuf? :)
has loads of buttons which is good, cos it seems i will need them all
also im getting some graphics artifacts is it normal? - blue and red lines randomly about once every min its sorta annoying ill try and get a pic of them with fraps (cos i dont know the print screen key yet). is opengl also best?
also it goes slow at 1600*1200 with 6xaa and 16xaf and everything maxed in fights, rest of time its fine - whats causing the slow down - wanted to play in 1280x1024 but cant so ive got it at 1024x768 for now
im finding it v hard to aim as theres only about 1/2 a second to shoot the enemys when you get close before they either turn or you go past them
ill try more of th tutorials quick :)
i just couldnt imagaine playing this game with anything apart form a full joystick.
tutorial thingy helped a lot - i can imagin why need a joystick - half hour of using gmepad and my thumb is aching! - but atleast ive managed one kill now (though ive had plenty of hits)
any joysticks you can recommend for ~£15? needs to be usb type
re: the graphics…
you'd be best running this at 1024x768 tbh - it's plenty nice enough and you don't get any decrease in image quality. Try also running the ground detail on excellent instead of perfect - the ground will cause a lot of lag when it gets busy. You might want to take your aa and af down a bit, or off completely, or alternatively, get an extra stick or 2 of RAM - I'm running a 9000 non pro and 1GB of Ram and it copes admirably if I don't turn aa on. IL2 is very memory hungry - if you've got a 9800 pro, and only 128MB RAM, you may as well forget turning all the eye candy on. So to recap - set image quality to “excellent” res to 1024x768 and turn off/down the aa and af and you should be ok :)
thanks for the link Hat, think ill get the £25 one - is it ambidexxtourous (sp?) as im left handed.
gfx:
my card can cope fine with the gfx - look at my sig at the clock speed, almost 2x the stock :)
it seems to be the mem causing problems - i will get another 512mb stick to fix that, then ill turn agp aperature up a bit and it should run fine.
reson i wanted 1200*1024 is so ALT-TAB'ing doesnt mess up the res in windows. i might try 1600*1200 again with aa turned down to 2 or something, should run fine @ that :)
ahaa.. the old ALT-TAB… don't do it - it can screw your mouse function up in game and cause all sorts of problems.. plus if you're running TS (which you will do if you get serious - voice comms make it all so much easier) it'll also screw TS up… what you want to do if you need to go back to windows is hit the windows key, it'll go back to desktop and then click on the il2 button on the taskbar to get back to the game. And that doesn't screw windows res or the mouse/JS up :)
thanks ill try that :)
just had a go at playing online :O
the other views dont work online (f2 etc..) only the normal one? is it suppost to be like that?
i crashed about 10 times :(
Originally posted by |SilentDeath|
thanks ill try that :)
just had a go at playing online :O
the other views dont work online (f2 etc..) only the normal one? is it suppost to be like that?
i crashed about 10 times :(
depends on the server settings as to which views are available etc
the GSV server when it reappears is the best to play on (where has it gone tho?!? )
ok.. now i seem to always stall while noone else ever does… this game is too hard :(
Go into controller config in the hardware set-up and ease the controller settings down a bit.
You have to select which axis you're adjusting in the drop down menu top left, then move the sliders according to how much input you want for how much stick movement.
If you're stalling constantly, it might be your flying style is to heave the stick around. If so, knock the first two sliders to zero, then range the others from 10% up to 80%… then have a fly and see how that works for you.
Personally, I have mine the other way, with 10% for the fist band then stepping to 100% on the last two bands, so I know that fully back IS fully back!
I also have the rudder inputs deadened right down as otherwise I find them way too aggressive on take off.
Stick with it, I've heard of some people taking a week just to get into the air succesfully… Zak has yet to plaster over the dents in his wall where the keyboard hit after his 10 ground loop in row! ;)
yep deckards right getting the sensitivity just right is the key but its also a pain in the arse , but once its right u'll find it easier to fly ,small movements are the key not large yanks to the left or right as that will stall u 9 out of 10 times
takeoff is easy peezy i have no idea why some ppl have trouble with it , maybe their just too aggresive
it will take time its taken me a little while but tonight i shot down 5 or 6 and a couple more it didnt credit me for (any 1 know how the points system works??) and i only got shot down by the he111's and once by a 109 (lucky headon shot)that was in a p40 which when i first tried i stalled all the time but now dont, the p39 however i dont think i will ever master as its a b*t*h to fly
oh yea start with the i-16's as there a good training plane nice n easy to fly
You only get credit for kills if you make it back to base and land. I've just come off the GSV server having downed 2 109s, I'm just about to land and a guy who was trailing me makes an attack. He misses me totally, but not the ground and he hits hard right under me. His exploding plane blew mine to bits too… so no points for me! :(
Ah well, that's war!
A little tip for the I-16… open the throttle gradually, let the speed build and open it some more. If you give it loads of throttle from the off, the left wing will lift massively from the prop wash and the thing'll tip over onto the right wing before you know what's happened.
I reckon it's best to go for an IL-2 to start with, then go for the quicker ones once you're happy in that.
The I16 is not the plane to learn in, Decks right, taking off in one is the hardest part.
Its the torque in the engine thats literally trying to twist the plane in the opposite way to the way its pushing the prop.
Try the LA5 or Lagg3. The IL2 is good, though a little heavy, but very forgiving.
Stay away from the more powerful 109s and 190s. These are a totally different kettle of fish. Very fast, wonderful climb/dive rates, but stall really easily.
Read a few of the FAQ links on aircraft and controls. its all to do with air speed and airflow over control surfaces.
Above all start off gentle, then get more aggressive. Once you start dogfighting, you'll need to be flying right on the limit all the time, in order to out turn/dive/manouvre the enemy. If you're not, guaranteed, he will be.
This is a difficult game, but the rewards are so much more satisfying than playing crimson Skies or something else ‘arcadey’.
Get Hyperlobby, and ask any of the MA guys for a quick lesson or two.
I learnt in the Lagg 3 1943,, as I found it a good stable all rounder… carries a c9ouple of bombs too so i practiced train busting aswell.
As for the I16… i would say definitely not a learner plane.. it has a few major unusual features about it.
1. Manual Landing Gear
2. No trim.. so you gotta fight constantly to fly it level.. or really mess around with the throttle /prop pitch etc
3. Not fuel injected, so soon as you bunt the nose forward, the engine cuts out.. pretty demoralising for a leaner
4. Only flap position it has is Landing.. so you wont be able to experiment with combat/take off flaps in flight.
5. Its got some wicked engine torque on it, which means it veers all over the place on take off.
But then again.. if ya can learn in that.. then youll probably get the hang on anything.. which may explaing why da_ging is so good!
S!
ok so maybe the i16 aint a learner plane the i53 would be a better option no flaps to worry about easy to fly no manual gears ,although u dont have injection so starving the engine is probable
the lagg's then i suppose are the better learners although id probably so the la5 is a more stable plane to learn with
as for takeoff's and landings i really dont know why some ppl find them hard ,remember as long as u stick to the run way it should be easy peasy vear off and u will bounce all over
if the i53 the one with 2 wings? (forgot what its called…) - that seems to be easy! it can have missiles aswell which is much much much nicer than useless machine guns :)
yes i have been playing with unlimited ammo, unlimited fuel, on qucik mission builder using one of them against 4 slow bombers… - easy but fun :P
btw im still using gamepad - holding it in one position = hard so i seem to be pushing the difection v quicly which makes aming hard, the cross keeps moving around too far like that so i really need a proper joystick. going to get a saitek one as they seem to be what you all recommend, would Cyborg 3D Force Stick be good? can il2fb use the force feedback?
id prefer to not spend so much tough, is Cyborg 3D USB Stick Gold good or should i spend £10 on one of the others? tbh i dont know the differnce between them…
whats hat switch do?
also why do some planes only have half the x hair with the aimy thingy to the side.. anyway to fix that?
You need to press escape and look at the controls menu m8.
Theres loads of stuff in there..
Shift F1 I think is the default gunsight view.. thatll centre up your cross hair when you need it..
the force stick is good - I fly one, and I find it's brilliant. Others will tell you frce feedback is pap, but it's all down to personal preference. If you do go for the force stick - make sure you get the FULL FORCE version, and NOT the RUMBLE version, as that doesn't have a rudder twist, and hasn't got enough buttons. You can NEVER have enough buttons on your joystick, the more, the merrier :D
I would second Tumble, Ive never had reason to regrete getting mine, only thing I have to look out for is the 1st time I spawn the first time PC is on then my rudder will be full left so need to twist a few times each way as it then auto calibrates it in FB. Im about the leave force feedback land and try the X45 and Im a bit nervious about it to be honest
thanks Hat, Shift F1 makes the view much better and easyer to see
just ordered cyborg evo :)
any one know how to start the planes with more than one engine? think its just the 3 bombers (tb3, he111) but i cant seem to start them. ‘i’ works for all the other planes just not these..
what are the different mixtures settings for, is that part of it?
for the engines u will need to assign a key for each 1 and a key to select them all then u select an engine press i and fire it up , select another 1 and fire it up when all fired up select them all with ur select all key and away u go (i just use 1234 for the engine selects and 5 for select all as its simplest)
ignore mixture settings for now
THANX ALL!!! I HAVE BEEN AWAY FROM THIS FORUM FOR 3 DAYS THATNX TO U!! lol
THE GAME IS TOOOOO ADDICTIVE!!!
S! Apple…rather good isnt it :) Look out for us in Hyperlobby
its very good!!! last night i was playing at about 4am! also i didnt relise my brother was downloading overnight, so i had about 400 ping and i didnt even relise!!! the game is that good and still plays well with lag. still didint manage to shoot anyone down though i did hit a few…
You'll get there SilentDeath. You tried using rockets yet??? You'll have a much better chance of downing some planes if you use rockets (RS-82/132) and it will help you learn more about convergance (Where the rockets cross).
You been on Hyperlobby aswell??? Whats your name-tag so we can look out for ya?
Most of all, you should stick with it. I got to the position similar to where you are now and seemed to be getting nowhere - couldn't kill people online but could kill offline quite easily. It took a lot of patience and it did seem that it would never come good, but the last month or so everything has seemed to ‘click’ and I've started flying pretty darn well.
Look out for me (luke313 on HL) and the marlins (MA_****) and ask for some help if you feel stuck - We are friendly folk as you might have noticed :)
Anyways, I hope thats helped dude. Hope I get to see ya online soon :)
hmmm… What time you guys get on???? add 10 hours..(IM IN AUSTRALIA!!) :)
hmmmm……….yeah. Most of us are in the UK :( :)
You should find plenty of other AU based players in the hyperlobby though, and there are a few AU based squads about.
And sometimes you'll catch some of us loitering in the hyperlobby during the GMT morning and afternoon, which I guess would equate to your evening.
It depends. Most of us get on around 6ish GMT (4 in the morning there :p) but as its the holidays I'm on and off throughout the day and a few others are aswell. Look out for us, I'm online right now ;)
SO AM I!!! whats your sign in???
he's luke313, im gonna be on in a sec aswell, as MA_Knoxeh whats your sign in dude?
GOD DAMN THAT WAS HARD!!! i got a hole shot in my wing then could barely keep the plane a float!!! I then spiraled to my miserable death!! soon after that i got on the runway and crashed into this other person on take off…. THEN on my next attempt at take off some poor fella got shot down above me while i was taxing and when he hit the ground and blew up he took me with him!!!
ITS HARD!!!
It's war, dude… rough and the smooth like :)