Atleast HTC have fainlly pulled thier fingers out.. just going to have to wait for O2 now :crazy:

Anyone have any ideas on how long it will take apple to ‘patch’ the syncing ablities? :mad:

No info from Three when they will release this update. Even on the three forums, they won't answer this question. Lucky people with unlocked phones can update now.

My next phone will be from a supplier who supplies unlocked phones on contracts.

Wish they would announce this for the legend too :( Mine is getting delivered today (and no, I didnt want/could afford a desire)… Keep hearing conflicting stories about it. Still, an update is better than no update, and despite everyone thinking that its a god-given right to get all the updates, remember that we are all getting something for nothing…

jonathan_phang
Still, an update is better than no update, and despite everyone thinking that its a god-given right to get all the updates, remember that we are all getting something for nothing…

This is something I keep reminding myself. It wasn't too long ago that the only way to get newer software on your handset was to either flash it manually or to go buy another handset.

Regardless of what you think of them, there are a few things we have to thanks Apple and the iPhone for, they have really changed the handset market for the better.

Users are also be able to sync their music with iTunes.

… until Apple finds out and blocks it with an iTunes “upgrade” (c.f. Palm) :stop:

Kudos to HTC in being quick off the mark with the upgrade (kind of makes me wish I'd bought that Desire after all). Hopefully it'll put a little more pressure on the other manufacturers to up their rollout schedules.

Bob

Voda users be aware that the system update you may have been notified from last night IS NOT FROYO, its a ton on Voda 360 bloatware that you cannot uninstall but leaves android at 2.1 :( Very bad call from Voda, my unbranded Desire now has a load of apps I wont use, a shed load of bookmarks I now need to get rid off, annoying.

On the flip side I did a manual update to 2.2 afterwards, its nippier and control of apps appears much better :) Didnt wipe the voda crap tho

I'm on 3 my handset came from 3 directly and I got the 2.2 update yesterday

:)

Funkstar
This is something I keep reminding myself. It wasn't too long ago that the only way to get newer software on your handset was to either flash it manually or to go buy another handset. Regardless of what you think of them, there are a few things we have to thanks Apple and the iPhone for, they have really changed the handset market for the better.

:redcard: My old Nokia N95 (1st gen, not the 8GB model) came out before the iPhone and the PC support software included an app that checked for new firmware and would apply it if you wanted. So there's some evidence of “prior art” for this particular Apple “innovation”. ;)

And I'd prefer to not go into the trouble's I've had in the past with Apple's flash process - other that to point out that I was one of the “lucky” folks who had a bricked device with no help coming from the AppleStore etc at the time that the 3.x release first came out. :wallbash:

But I'll be the first to credit Apple with (correctly) putting the focus on UI, getting the users away from the mess that is Symbian S60S3 etc.

crabby Bob. (apologies that this is off-topic)

mum just got a desire form voda yesterday. tried to do the update, but wont show any.

how can i manually do it? btw for some reason this voda desire works with her old o2 sim! dont see how that works.

crossy
:redcard: My old Nokia N95 (1st gen, not the 8GB model) came out before the iPhone and the PC support software included an app that checked for new firmware and would apply it if you wanted. So there's some evidence of “prior art” for this particular Apple “innovation”. ;)

So did my SonyEricsson K750i, however it was only really for bug fixes, you didn't get any significant new features. Compare this to current smartphones and you don't just get bug fixes, we are having full OS upgrades and extra features added to old handsets that in years gone by would have required replacement.

It will be interesting to see what happens with RIMs OS6, if they start pushing large software updates to their handsets, or continue to replace models with barely a new OS build between them. Windows Mobile handsets are like this. You get hot fixes and occationally a new ROM to load, but hardly ever a huge bump in OS version (does happen, but that's been a recent thing).

shaffaaf27
mum just got a desire form voda yesterday. tried to do the update, but wont show any.

how can i manually do it? btw for some reason this voda desire works with her old o2 sim! dont see how that works.

If it's direct from Voda then hold off on the OTA update for reasons mentioned above (and all over the place)
Then again if you only got it yesterday you might already have the bloatware installed. Mine & others came unlocked as well so just enjoy it :)

it came with bloat ware! the voda 360 crap, lack of clicking the tethering and when laoding up the voda logo.

but it works with the o2 sim.


i am trying to update but it says i am up to date, yet i am on 2.2 is there no way to manually update?

shaffaaf27
i am trying to update but it says i am up to date, yet i am on 2.2 is there no way to manually update?

You mean you're NOT 2.2?
2.2 isn't out for Voda yet, so you ARE on the most recent version (for Voda)

understood, but i was wondering if there is a way to manually update to 2.2 without waiting for voda to push it through.

Can't you guys just run software update on it like on iPhones via iTunes?

I'm not up to speed why you can't update the phone yourself and first you have to wait for HTC and then your telephone provider…

Sorry never had HTC so gotta excuse my lack of knowledge!

spoon_
Can't you guys just run software update on it like on iPhones via iTunes? I'm not up to speed why you can't update the phone yourself and first you have to wait for HTC and then your telephone provider… Sorry never had HTC so gotta excuse my lack of knowledge!

It's not just HTC, it's all Android phones. So with iPhone you get:

Apple issues the new firmware -> you get it. Job done :mrgreen:

whereas with Android you have:

Google issues the new firmware -> the manufacturers (HTC, Moto, SE, etc) fiddle with it -> the teleco's (Orange, Three, Voda, etc) fiddle with it -> (finally) you get it.

Which means that Apple can get firmware updates out there for iOS far quicker than Google can for Android. :wallbash:

The Android way is old-style phone-stylee and imho just plain stupid (e.g. why the heck do the teleco's have to get involved with updates - aren't they just merging with existing system files?). Apple's way is just superior in about every way (apart from having to use iTunes :puke:) and something I'm envious of.

Of course, you can always root your ‘droid phone (which is reputedly easier than iOS) and then apply the new firmware manually, but that’s cheating and too scary for me. :crazy:

Bob

well at least rooting and jail breaking are legal now (well in the US methinks, not sure here).


tbh that's what i love about WebOS as well, no need to jailbreak/root. just enable devmode and you are done. palm actually welcome homebrew, which is a nice change. and then they send an OTA update, you can either wait for your carrier to push it through, or just grab it form palm servers and enjoy.

crossy
why the heck do the teleco's have to get involved with updates - aren't they just merging with existing system files?

Spot on. Unfortunately the carriers don't want to be the dumb pipe/consumer electronics hire purchase company everyone I know wants them to be. They want to be service and content providers, so bundle crapware at every opportunity. Don't even mention the utterly worthless default homepages and bookmarks they shove on the browsers. Delaying useful system updates purely so they can add utterly worthless junk is insult to injury.

All anyone I know wants from a phone company is for them to provide free/cheap handset and voice call/text/internet access in return for 12/18/24 monthly payments of x amount of pounds.

Branded firmware is a massive turnoff. Luckily Vodafone actually appear to have done this with the Galaxy S I got off them recently - there's no crapware on it, the handset's unlocked and the firmware appears to be generic. Maybe I got lucky. Otherwise, Carphone Whorehouse appear to only issue unlocked, generic handsets (I assume other non-network shops do too). If they'd had the 16GB version I'd have gone with them. I certainly won't accept network-branded firmware on any phone I buy in the future.