Very very hard to believe

It would have been informative if some idea of where these 119mil had gone to.Scan etc have not been selling them.

The quantity of the GPU that were sold depends pretty much on cryptocurency price. I read about companies that bought 50 3070 this year because bitcoin was sky high, now I guess it is much less profitable.

Hopefully puts paid to any silly theories about them holding back. But as JPR note, it's driven by a huge increase in demand (i.e., miners, work-from-homers) which probably won't persist in the long run.

Kovoet
Very very hard to believe

Why? PC shipments were up over 50% in the same time reversing a 10 year trend

3dcandy
Why? PC shipments were up over 50% in the same time reversing a 10 year trend

Would love to have seen them on sale.

picard
It would have been informative if some idea of where these 119mil had gone to.Scan etc have not been selling them.

So very true. I tried for two weeks. I could've bought them with a already built setup but gave up and won't get one till mine blow up and just stop running.

To both the above we are talking worldwide. We got the real short end of the stick, for many reasons including Brexit and we have had far far worse shortages than other places. My US buddies said stock was poor but no way near as bad as we had

That's a lot of miners.

Yeah, working from home in lockdown probably had a hand in improving PC sales, though I bet laptop sales went through the roof for the same period.

Spreadie
Yeah, working from home in lockdown probably had a hand in improving PC sales, though I bet laptop sales went through the roof for the same period.

Of course - but also prebuilt systems and diy builds as people had more time on hands to game etc.

Yeah so 118.5 million of those went straight to miners and scalpers

Quick question - Why are Intel even on the dGPU chart?
Last I heard, they haven't even released their rumoured/expected GPUs, so how are they even a factor in market share at this point?

Ttaskmaster
Quick question - Why are Intel even on the dGPU chart?
Last I heard, they haven't even released their rumoured/expected GPUs, so how are they even a factor in market share at this point?

The expectation they'll be a competitor or are just entering them on because they will be getting market share so therefore might as well start the metrics now.

Ttaskmaster
Quick question - Why are Intel even on the dGPU chart?
Last I heard, they haven't even released their rumoured/expected GPUs, so how are they even a factor in market share at this point?

I think they officially released an OEM only laptop and low end desktop cards. I guess from the 0% the uptake hasn't been stellar, even in the current GPU drought.

Ttaskmaster
Quick question - Why are Intel even on the dGPU chart?
Last I heard, they haven't even released their rumoured/expected GPUs, so how are they even a factor in market share at this point?

They've been in the GPU charts for years:

https://hexus.net/business/news/components/76997-jpr-report-shows-nvidia-taking-gpu-market-share-amd/
that's from 2014.
Unsure how long they've snuck into the dGPU charts but it looks like just now? Guess JPR are hedging their bets.

kompukare
They've been in the GPU charts for years:

https://hexus.net/business/news/components/76997-jpr-report-shows-nvidia-taking-gpu-market-share-amd/
that's from 2014.
Unsure how long they've snuck into the dGPU charts but it looks like just now? Guess JPR are hedging their bets.

That's all GPUs including iGPU which nearly every Intel processor has one and is recorded as part of the statistics even if there is dGPU installed so those figures are misleading at best although accurate if you take “GPU” as a loose term covering both.

like a chihuahua urinating on the towering inferno

Thanks for that image, certainly made me smile anyway! :clapping:

picard
It would have been informative if some idea of where these 119mil had gone to.Scan etc have not been selling them.

Please, PLEASE, try not to order from Scan (Scam). If you have an issue you'll get charged a re-stocking fee and no matter what you say… . Amazon… You know where you stand with them. Heck, Scam might be better, but I doubt it.

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I'm rocking a 1050. I need a 2060. I'll wait.

excalibur1814
Please, PLEASE, try not to order from Scan (Scam). If you have an issue you'll get charged a re-stocking fee and no matter what you say… . Amazon… You know where you stand with them. Heck, Scam might be better, but I doubt it.

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I'm rocking a 1050. I need a 2060. I'll wait.

Restocking fees are illegal under CCR. Report any UK companies that charge them to trading standards.

Excuse me? In what universe?

aniilv
Excuse me? In what universe?

The Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation and Additional Charges) Regulations 2013
Section 34 - Reimbursement by trader in the event of withdrawal or cancellation.

“(8)The trader must not impose any fee on the consumer in respect of the reimbursement”.


Full and searchable text here: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2013/3134/pdfs/uksi_20133134_en.pdf

Ttaskmaster
The Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation and Additional Charges) Regulations 2013
Section 34 - Reimbursement by trader in the event of withdrawal or cancellation.

“(8)The trader must not impose any fee on the consumer in respect of the reimbursement”.


Full and searchable text here: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2013/3134/pdfs/uksi_20133134_en.pdf

Yep has been illegal for years - still doesn't stop them trying it though, and according to most getting away with it too

excalibur1814
Please, PLEASE, try not to order from Scan (Scam). If you have an issue you'll get charged a re-stocking fee and no matter what you say… . Amazon… You know where you stand with them. Heck, Scam might be better, but I doubt it.

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I'm rocking a 1050. I need a 2060. I'll wait.

I had an issue with a seasonic PSU and they didn't charge a restocking fee for the RMA. They also didn't charge a fee when the replacement had the same issue, or when the replacement replacement was the same (and at that point they gave me a full refund)

None of them were sold to me!!

Thanks to KompuKare for posting this on OcUK forums:
https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/sales-of-graphics-cards-hit-12-1-billion-in-q1-2021





The last boon happened during 2017/2018 and the last mining craze. Also people were already replacing systems in early 2020 as work from home and lockdowns were enacted worldwide. So the major sales increases happened before the latest mining boom. Look at how the price of GPUs have quadrupled in late 2020 and its coincided exactly with the mining boom.

It seems OcUK even said that bots are just buying all their GPUs within minutes, and AFAIK this again was what happened during the last mining boom. JPR thinks its gamers,but prior history does not tally with this.

You could see what was happening at each mining craze. Firstly, the higher end GPUs sold out and were jacked up in price,then the mainstream and then lower end ones. Its what you saw back in 2017/2018 - even a £160 RX470 would sell for close to £300 back then. Eventually when all the AMD GPUs sold out,the Nvidia ones starting selling out and so on.

CAT-THE-FIFTH


The last boon happened during 2017/2018 and the last mining craze. Also people were already replacing systems in early 2020 as work from home and lockdowns were enacted worldwide. So the major sales increases happened before the latest mining boom.

But your graph shows otherwise - early 2020 is actually a dip in sales, it's only from Q3 2020 that it's increased to recent time highs (though still not at late 2017 levels - presumably that's substrate shortage at play).

Also the graph shows what, 11.8 million dGPUs in Q1 2021? yet the headline article is talking about 119 million GPUs sold.. I guess they weren't discrete GPUs after all.

kalniel
But your graph shows otherwise - early 2020 is actually a dip in sales, it's only from Q3 2020 that it's increased to recent time highs (though still not at late 2017 levels - presumably that's substrate shortage at play).

Look quarter to quarter. Q2 2020 is 2.38 million more than Q2 2019. Q1,the pandemic was only just starting and I know many were tentatively holding off purchases. But if you go from Q1 to Q3 the biggest part of the increase happened there,which would match with the increase in PC sales. Q2 2020 is almost the same as Q2 2017,when mining was starting to ebb upwards,and better than Q2 2016. Q2 2018 was when mining was starting its downwards spiral.

However in Q2 2020,GPU prices hadn't increased that much showing most demand was driven by gamers.

Prices only ticked up between Q3 2020 and Q4 2020. That is exactly when mining started going upwards in October 2020.





In some aspects its probably the biggest crypto boom.

Retailers such as OcUK have gone into detail about the problems they have seen,once mining became a big deal again. The botting started mostly again in late 2020,and they have been talking about how miners have been snapping up a lot of their GPUs.

Basically the bots would buy the GPUs even before people could click buy on the website by interfacing with it directly.

kalniel
Also the graph shows what, 11.8 million dGPUs in Q1 2021? yet the headline article is talking about 119 million GPUs sold.. I guess they weren't discrete GPUs after all.

AFAIK its both IGPs and dGPUs?? It does show how most PCs don't use a dGPU!!

Edit!!

I looked at the JPR article Hexus linked to and its poorly written.



The chart shows Intel,so it includes IGPs too.

kalniel
But your graph shows otherwise - early 2020 is actually a dip in sales,

I'm guessing many were waiting for the RTX 30x0 range to come out from the surge in Nvidia numbers in Q3.

It always felt like AMD just failed to turn up, which I think fits in with what we see on that graph. I wonder if that was down to the number of 5700X cards floating around in warehouses that AMD thought needed to be sold off, right up to the point that miners saw the spike coming and that these cheap GPUs had crazy hash rates.