These things should be available to retail. I would have bought the 4750G for work use if I could, but could only get one in that low end Ebuyer machine.
Better than the previous best Ryzen 3400G, but unless if goes on sale it is irrelevant.
All I can think of when I see things like this is that meme from that scene in The Simpsons featuring AMD killing Intel - stop! stop! he's already dead!
Why compare to the 9900KF? CPU-Z has more recent Intel offerings in there to compare to, especially considering the generational gap between them. I'd honestly have thought comparing to a 3700X would have been far better (also 8c/16t) and would give a much better indicator of the performance available from this.
Iota
Why compare to the 9900KF? CPU-Z has more recent Intel offerings in there to compare to, especially considering the generational gap between them. I'd honestly have thought comparing to a 3700X would have been far better (also 8c/16t) and would give a much better indicator of the performance available from this.
From simple Google search:
AMD 3700x - 528/5465
Intel i9-10900K - 627/7159
AMD 3400G - 467/2512
AMD 5800X - 650/6593
and as a reference
AMD 5700G - 614/6229
So I would say not bad for an APU. The most important thing will be its availability and supported chipsets.
It would be great to have it on shelves. I need to renew equipment, this one would be the first to consider.
Interesting that this nominally 65W part gets pretty close to the 5800X a 105W part. I guess with turbo and sufficient cooling these numbers don't mean much
One thing NOBODY ever does (becoz Amd has banned it?) is compare the generational differences between the graphics i.e LLano ?? 2400G 3400G 4700g 5700G … the gfx seem to be improving at a snails pace.
I could happily have a 5300G (4C/8T) with top-end gfx … but .. segmentation.
We may never see these at retail anyway , the fact that its a “pro” (business friendly) tolls ominous. 65w TDP is great imo.
IIRC 4000 and 5000 series use the SAME graphics. If so it's no wonder they wouldn't want that highlighting.
persimmon
One thing NOBODY ever does (becoz Amd has banned it?) is compare the generational differences between the graphics i.e LLano ?? 2400G 3400G 4700g 5700G … the gfx seem to be improving at a snails pace.
No banning, just not that interesting if you want strong graphics.
https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-pro-4750g-renoir-review/3It uses quite a bit of the die for the performance level, and more CUs would probably just bump up cost and hit a memory speed wall so not actually go any faster.
But maybe next gen will use 5nm for more transistors and DDR5 to move the memory wall along perhaps with the hypercache of recent AMD GPUs, so you might get your wish then. But this gen? Nice for a budget laptop or in my case a really cheap workstation if you add some ECC ram, but otherwise add a GPU.
DanceswithUnix
but otherwise add a GPU.
It sounds so simple doesn't it. ‘Just add a GPU…’ If you can find one.
persimmon
One thing NOBODY ever does (becoz Amd has banned it?) is compare the generational differences between the graphics i.e LLano ?? 2400G 3400G 4700g 5700G … the gfx seem to be improving at a snails pace.
DanceswithUnix
No banning, just not that interesting if you want strong graphics.
Honestly I don't think that's really the market for these CPUs, certainly it would be a “nice to have” in terms of strong graphics, but I can see these ending up in PCs that are not used primarily for gaming on. I used the 2400G in the PC I built for my mum, it's low power usage combined with onboard graphics that are perfectly sufficient for using programs like Microsoft Word / Excel etc. It was a much better option than an Intel based system with higher power draw and less performance.
If AMD started beefing up the on die graphics I could see that having a knock on effect on the low end of their GPU business, I fail to see the benefit in them doing that to themselves.
Iota
persimmon
One thing NOBODY ever does (becoz Amd has banned it?) is compare the generational differences between the graphics i.e LLano ?? 2400G 3400G 4700g 5700G … the gfx seem to be improving at a snails pace.
DanceswithUnix
No banning, just not that interesting if you want strong graphics.
Honestly I don't think that's really the market for these CPUs, certainly it would be a “nice to have” in terms of strong graphics, but I can see these ending up in PCs that are not used primarily for gaming on. I used the 2400G in the PC I built for my mum, it's low power usage combined with onboard graphics that are perfectly sufficient for using programs like Microsoft Word / Excel etc. It was a much better option than an Intel based system with higher power draw and less performance.
If AMD started beefing up the on die graphics I could see that having a knock on effect on the low end of their GPU business, I fail to see the benefit in them doing that to themselves.
As far as I can see, there IS no low-end AMD graphics anymore. Production of all AMD Gpu's below the 6xxx series seems to have stopped. Nothing can be had.
Tell me i'm wrong. Please.
ik9000
It sounds so simple doesn't it. ‘Just add a GPU…’ If you can find one.
I suppose the flip side is that you don't want CPUs to have strong enough graphics to have a good hash rate, not with Eth sat around $2000 atm.
ohmaheid
As far as I can see, there IS no low-end AMD graphics anymore. Production of all AMD Gpu's below the 6xxx series seems to have stopped. Nothing can be had.
Tell me i'm wrong. Please.
I honestly don't know, but sadly the 5700 XT was apparently a really superb mining GPU which as they got a bad rep for driver issues on release for gaming were quite cheap, so I think they sold out first in the mining rush.
I'm typing this on a work machine which has an RX550 as that was the only thing I could find. There seem to be some 1030 cards knocking around.
DanceswithUnix
…. but otherwise add a GPU.
Which is on my shopping list, immediately after a Golden Fleece, and some Rocking Horse poop. I stand more chance, currently, with the first two items. :D
Note: Yes, I know there are some low powered cards around, and also how to buy a rather higher-end card.
The Ryzen 7 5800X is still around £400 - the only way to get it cheaper is in a motherboard bundle,or you can find a discount code. So if the Ryzen 7 5700G/5750G becomes available its most likely going to be between £300~£400. Even though it only has half the L3 cache,AMD will figure the IGP has added value(and the SOC is probably over twice the size of the 7NM chiplet used in the Ryzen 7 5800X). At this point its probably better just to get another CPU and a GT1030.
DanceswithUnix
These things should be available to retail. I would have bought the 4750G for work use if I could, but could only get one in that low end Ebuyer machine.
I think that this is the only alternative eBuyer can come up with in regards to GPU shortages for OEMs
I just want a 5000 series G to replace my 3400g in my server..
