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Posted by 3dcandy - Tue 16 Mar 2021 15:10
That's not confusing at all…
Posted by Tabbykatze - Tue 16 Mar 2021 15:48
If the word “New” was a child, I'd be calling protective services on Intel for how much abuse they're giving it.
Posted by Iota - Tue 16 Mar 2021 15:55
3dcandy
That's not confusing at all…

Which bit, the differential between the i9 and i7? Seems odd they're all 8/16, I mean they could at least disable the hyperthreading on the i7 so the product stack is actually different in a meaningful way so they don't confuse consumers. Looking at that die space though, if the KF model has no graphics, why don't they make the redundant space more useful and add two more cores in there for 10/20? Instead of wasting silicon on useless graphics most people don't use at that level of CPU.
Posted by 3dcandy - Tue 16 Mar 2021 16:04
Iota
Which bit, the differential between the i9 and i7? Seems odd they're all 8/16, I mean they could at least disable the hyperthreading on the i7 so the product stack is actually different in a meaningful way so they don't confuse consumers. Looking at that die space though, if the KF model has no graphics, why don't they make the redundant space more useful and add two more cores in there for 10/20? Instead of wasting silicon on useless graphics most people don't use at that level of CPU.

Plenty - the massive amount of SKU's, the will work on an older motherboard but the best bits need a 500 series motherboard. It's just sooooo reactive and late to the party it's unreal.
I just think it means I'm less likely to go Intel next time not more. Backported process to 14nm+++++++++++++++++++++++++++ it's just lazy to me
Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH - Tue 16 Mar 2021 16:08
If you add VAT,that puts the 6C/12T Core i5 11600K at around £205. Even with a £30 CPU cooler,that means its massively cheaper than a Ryzen 5 5600X,and the B560/H570 motherboards also have access to PCI-E 4.0 AFAIK.

The Core i5 11400F works out around £140 and will have a cooler installed. This in theory should be quicker than a Ryzen 5 3600.
Posted by tazzrats - Tue 16 Mar 2021 16:25
CAT-THE-FIFTH
If you add VAT,that puts the 6C/12T Core i5 11600K at around £205. Even with a £30 CPU cooler,that means its massively cheaper than a Ryzen 5 5600X,and the B560/H570 motherboards also have access to PCI-E 4.0 AFAIK.

The Core i5 11400F works out around £140 and will have a cooler installed. This in theory should be quicker than a Ryzen 5 3600.

This. It is nice to see some really heavy competition, at least in pricing. I am very interested to see what happens when reviewers properly have these chips!

Exciting times that we have two big players.
Posted by 3dcandy - Tue 16 Mar 2021 16:37
CAT-THE-FIFTH
If you add VAT,that puts the 6C/12T Core i5 11600K at around £205. Even with a £30 CPU cooler,that means its massively cheaper than a Ryzen 5 5600X,and the B560/H570 motherboards also have access to PCI-E 4.0 AFAIK.

The Core i5 11400F works out around £140 and will have a cooler installed. This in theory should be quicker than a Ryzen 5 3600.

I should hope so - Intel have no issues with fab constraints and can afford to absorb some of the higher shipping costs
Posted by jamest - Tue 16 Mar 2021 16:42
Not too bad on the pricing, at least they're still pretty competitive up to the 11700k assuming it ends up around £350 after VAT. Near 5800X performance for near 5800X price but with the benefit of AVX-512 if you need it and without the current X570 issues a lot of people (including myself) are experiencing.
Posted by Iota - Tue 16 Mar 2021 17:31
3dcandy
Plenty - the massive amount of SKU's, the will work on an older motherboard but the best bits need a 500 series motherboard. It's just sooooo reactive and late to the party it's unreal.
I just think it means I'm less likely to go Intel next time not more. Backported process to 14nm+++++++++++++++++++++++++++ it's just lazy to me

If I could currently buy a 5950X and a decent motherboard / RAM I'd probably switch to AMD without even giving these a second thought. The segmentation from Intel is frustrating, as well as the lack of motherboard and chipset compatibility for new processors. Ideally Intel needs to start taking a long look at that last part, because while these may come in “cheaper” than AMD equivalent CPUs, they hurt themselves by not having platform consistency and just being able to drop in an upgrade and use a majority of the features. The only trouble AMD had was switching between PCIe 3.0 to 4.0 afaik? So why can't Intel with all of their resources replicate that?

Also 14nm+++++++++++ really is starting to hurt them.
Posted by ET3D - Tue 16 Mar 2021 17:50
Prices seem to be largely in line with 10th gen, and with the exception of the very high end, that should be decent value. We still have to wait for more performance results (beyond what Anandtech provided), but it seems from that review that Rocket Lake is a decent upgrade over Comet Lake for at least a few tasks (gaming wasn't one of them), and since it's still cheaper than AMD's lineup, it could be a decent value choice.
Posted by harrisonm65 - Tue 16 Mar 2021 18:23
CAT-THE-FIFTH
If you add VAT,that puts the 6C/12T Core i5 11600K at around £205.

Scan showing them at £259.99
Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH - Tue 16 Mar 2021 19:21
tazzrats
This. It is nice to see some really heavy competition, at least in pricing. I am very interested to see what happens when reviewers properly have these chips!

Exciting times that we have two big players.

3dcandy
I should hope so - Intel have no issues with fab constraints and can afford to absorb some of the higher shipping costs

Well TBF,the Core i5 10600K is under £200,so even that makes the Ryzen 5 5600X a slightly tougher sell.

harrisonm65
Scan showing them at £259.99

That is the Core i5 11600K which has an IGP,which Scan has at £250 now. The Core i5 11600KF seems to be around £230,which is around 10% higher than I expected(but comes with a copy of Hitman 3):
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel-core-i5-11600kf-s-1200-rocket-lake-6-cores-12-threads-39ghz-49ghz-turbo-12mb-cache-125w-retail

The Core i5 11400F seems to be around which is £10 more than I expected too:
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel-core-i5-11400f-s-1200-rocket-lake-6-cores-12-threads-26ghz-44ghz-turbo-12mb-cache-65w-retail

But I suspect a Core i5 11400F,with a B560 motherboard should work to be quite decent value.

Edit!!

It seems all of the Core i5 CPUs come with Hitman 3.
Posted by trillo_del_diavolo - Tue 16 Mar 2021 20:38
$539 for an 8-core toaster that can barely match a 5800X? Intel is delusional.
Posted by edmundhonda - Tue 16 Mar 2021 21:11
CAT-THE-FIFTH
If you add VAT,that puts the 6C/12T Core i5 11600K at around £205
Pricing on the spec sheet is assuming you're buying from Intel in 1000 unit amounts. They show it to consumers like this to deliberate mislead, and it works.
Posted by Core2Extreme - Wed 17 Mar 2021 00:50
What I want to know is do the 65W and 35W CPUs actually obey their TDP. The 11700K does not (150W - 290W, depending on the instructions used, according to AnandTech's review). If the lower-wattage parts do stay within their thermal (and thus acoustic) limits, they might be worth something.

In all likelihood I'd still buy AMD… but it would be nice to know Intel's specs mean something on the lower tier parts.
Posted by lumireleon - Wed 17 Mar 2021 06:03
………..11700F is the best thing to come out of intel. I would recommend it everyday.
Posted by Xlucine - Sat 20 Mar 2021 21:27
The non-K pricing on bulldozer lake seems pretty good. If I was in the market, I'd be considering one (so long as I had the budget for a decent cooler)
Posted by John_Amstrad - Sun 21 Mar 2021 18:18
Tabbykatze
If the word “New” was a child, I'd be calling protective services on Intel for how much abuse they're giving it.

Best post ever.
Posted by badass - Sun 21 Mar 2021 20:11
CAT-THE-FIFTH
The Core i5 11400F seems to be around which is £10 more than I expected too:
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel-core-i5-11400f-s-1200-rocket-lake-6-cores-12-threads-26ghz-44ghz-turbo-12mb-cache-65w-retail

But I suspect a Core i5 11400F,with a B560 motherboard should work to be quite decent value.
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Now I'm secretly thinking I should have waited a fortnight. I already feel dirty for getting another Intel CPU that's now my third in a row for my main rig.