I said this in OC3Ds thread, this is a segmentation nightmare as every i5 is a 6/12 with 12MB cache is effectively just various performant dies in the same bin but there will always be a frank basis that this is the same process across the entire stack. And that's 146-243 EUR, a 100EUR various for quality on the same chip. It's going to be quite confusing.

It gets worse when you look at the i7/i9s when it's the exact same silicon across the entire stack. You can pay either 282EUR for an 8/16 CPU or pay 500EUR for a CPU, it'll have the exact same features as the others (except the F series), you'll just either overclock or not.

I'd really like to know what is the actual difference between an i7/i9 in this lineup, is it just an artificial microcode lockout for features? Or is there something else (performance discounted).

Edit: One thing I am thankful for is SMT across the entire stack now, imagine the segmentation if they still broke all that up xD

Wasn't the launch price of the 10900k about $500? I thought it was the usual unavailability that pushed up its price to well over 500?

Who exactly are these new CPU's for?

No one in their right mind is going to step down from 10c 20t 10900 parts, the platform will be EOL by the end of the year and those with older CPU's wanting to upgrade, will surely wait for the new Alder-Lake platform.

LOL… i9 price reduction based on ‘name’ but you could argue it's actually a price increase when you compare core counts because (from a simplified standpoint) it's basically a ‘better’ i7-10700k… you got to love marketing lol

I'm more interested in how much downward pressure the 11700F at 282 euros might put on the price of 5800X at £400 currently. A 5800X at £300 or less would be more sensible. Or perhaps AMD will just counter with a 5700X at £300 or less. I don't see any competition for the 5900X and 5950X any time soon though unless the RKL chips are so fast that they can challenge the higher core counts of 5900X with pure Ghz… Looking at the reported PL2 of 250W, suffice to say I have my doubts :(

This has been forced upon Intel….

Call i7 i9 and than reduce a price. Good trick!

With Zen3 pricing increasing,it was not surprising that Intel decided to join in too.

I hadn't clocked that the i7-11700k and i9-11900k would both be 8/16. That's a marketing and segmentation nightmare.

Tabbykatze
I'd really like to know what is the actual difference between an i7/i9 in this lineup, is it just an artificial microcode lockout for features?

11700k and 11900k: same core/thread layout, same TDP, same cache, same iGPU, same TVB. i9 has +200mhz on rated allcore boost, +300mhz on single.

30% more expensive.

edmundhonda
I hadn't clocked that the i7-11700k and i9-11900k would both be 8/16. That's a marketing and segmentation nightmare.



11700k and 11900k: same core/thread layout, same TDP, same cache, same iGPU, same TVB. i9 has +200mhz on rated allcore boost, +300mhz on single.

30% more expensive.

I thought as much, such a premium for mediocrity.

I really don't want to be disappointed because it is a new architecture (even backported) but so far it just sounds like another Intel being Intel.

Hexus
At the head of the list you can see that the flagship Core i9-11900K is nearly 9 per cent cheaper than the i9-10900K but offers two fewer physical cores and four fewer processing threads. With the intergenerational IPC uplift I'm sure Intel has still made sure the new processor a better performer than the SKU it replaces though.

Really? I wouldn't be so sure. Which cherry picked single-thread benchmark will that be in then? I'm waiting for the “multicore is a gimmick” press release and disinformation campaign tbh.

ik9000
Really? I wouldn't be so sure. Which cherry picked single-thread benchmark will that be in then? I'm waiting for the “multicore is a gimmick” press release and disinformation campaign tbh.

You need to thank AMD for justifying a £440 for an 8C Ryzen 7 5800X without a stock cooler was fine - as I mentioned here before Intel would try the same trick especially if their 8C was better than their previous one,or even slightly beat what AMD has now. So they will up prices compared to Cometlake.



Techspot/HUB used an RTX3090.



With an RX6800.

Intel only needs to muster another 10% improvement over their previous generation to match or beat Zen3 in gaming. This is totally possible with the new cores,if they are clocked similar to the previous generation. Intel also will introduce PCI-E 4.0 with Rocketlake too. Also like Intel,Zen3 appears to be the last set of desktop DDR4 CPUs it will be making,ie,the platform will only support one more generation in both cases if buying a system now.

Now look at the Core i5 pricing and Core i7:

Core i5-11600KF | €219 (~$265) | 4.3% Price Increase
Core i7-11700KF | €353 (~$427) | 11.7% Price Increase

With VAT that will come to $318 or £233 for the Core i5 and $512 or £376 for the Core i7. More than enough to get a reasonable cooler.

These are both comfortably cheaper than the Ryzen 5 5600X and Ryzen 7 5800X.

The K series have an IGP,so its fairer to compare the KF with Zen3. Even if you use the K series,AMD still is more expensive.

AMD hasn't made any noise about cheaper SKUs either - so this might be like with Nvidia,where they are still capacity constrained and literally will lead the door wide open for Intel to edge in.

AMD has an advantage above 8 cores,but those CPUs are way above £500. Intel is now maintaining its 8C CPU pricing still at reasonable levels.

After all a Core i9 9900K was available for £400~£450 two years ago.

Edit!!

B560 also restores the ability of the RAM to be run at XMP too. B560+Core i5 11600KF/11400F +Hyper 212 might end up being a reasonably solid gaming bundle too.

AMD really needs a cheaper Ryzen 5 5600 non-X.

I think AMD have more issues than not being able to charge more and still not meet demand to be fair…

So basically they are rehashing the 10k series processors, but 2-5% faster single threaded performance for it seems 10% higher pricing. What utter garbage!

No wonder Intel is losing, I hope they just die already, they are way too greedy even when they are losing and AMD has the overall better processors! I hope arm and other players come to replace Intel, they are way too greedy even when losing!

11400 is suppose to be 10% faster than the 10400 in SP performance in the recent benchmark leaks, It's a relatively good gain I feel.

Amazon was selling a 10400f for £128 previously, relatively good deal compare to ryzen 3xxx