Not to much to see but you never know .

If it can get to the quality of Fate of Atlantis that would be good. Obviously first person makes it a significantly different game.

i imagine it'll be Tomb Raider with Indy

I just hope they can convince Ford to supply the voice and facial animations, or get a reasonable soundalike.

This could be really good - i'd love a Tomb Raider style game with Indie…like a hybrid between Jedi Fallen Order and Tomb Raider - that would work for me!

Two concerns though….MachineGames don't have a good track record - they did a good job with Wolfenstein New Order, but the pseudo expansion pack was average, the full fat Sequel was very average, and youngblood was just….bad. Youngblood in particular was a surprise given they collaborated with Arkane on that, who are very well respected and have an excellent track record.

We'll see - hopefully MachineGames will do a better job of this one…I remain hopeful.

Biggest potential risk is the Epic Games news - raises a terrifying prospect this could be yet another epic exclusive. I really hope that poor decision is limited to the Battlefront Giveaway and isn't the start of a new relationship with Epic. It should be unlikely as you'd expect Bethesda to put this on their own launcher, or given Microsoft's involvement it could be a big win for gamepass. Money talks though so who knows!

wait up, no, I dont want a tomb raider type game, i want a wolfenstein one (new order, not that young-thing one), thats what I think of when I see machine games.
First person, run/gun or sneak.

Spud1
Biggest potential risk is the Epic Games news - raises a terrifying prospect this could be yet another epic exclusive. I really hope that poor decision is limited to the Battlefront Giveaway and isn't the start of a new relationship with Epic. It should be unlikely as you'd expect Bethesda to put this on their own launcher, or given Microsoft's involvement it could be a big win for gamepass. Money talks though so who knows!

You get all that, just because Evil Epic is giving ONE completely unrelated game away for just seven days?

I hope Epic do burn. I hope every games company that has ever done anything you didn't like burns.
I want to see who is left, if indeed anyone….

Ttaskmaster
You get all that, just because Evil Epic is giving ONE completely unrelated game away for just seven days?

I hope Epic do burn. I hope every games company that has ever done anything you didn't like burns.
I want to see who is left, if indeed anyone….

It's a worry when ANY publisher/developer etc gets into bed with Epic at the moment. It's not about “something I don't like” - it's about a predatory practice that is actively hurting the PC gaming industry, and every single gamer who wants competition in the marketplace.

I don't want Epic to burn - I want them to play fair with the industry, stop bribing publishers to get exclusives, and instead put that money into making a competitive storefront that people want to use. That would be good for everyone!

Spud1
It's a worry when ANY publisher/developer etc gets into bed with Epic at the moment. It's not about “something I don't like” - it's about a predatory practice that is actively hurting the PC gaming industry, and every single gamer who wants competition in the marketplace.

Right now I see very healthy ‘competition’ across Steam, GoG, GMG and Epic…. and yet all of whom are charging the exact same price TO THE PENNY for the same game.
One week someone will have a sale on something, then the next week another platform hosts the exact same thing on sale for the exact same discounted price. If I borrowed your bacofoil hat for a minute I'd think there was some secret elite, hiding in the background controlling each platform…

I don't see competition, I just see an argument about who has the prettiest web shop.
It all works the same, it all does the same. You can even link your Steam with your GoG and your Epic launchers, all mashed up into one.
There is nothing setting them apart, except your rants about one of them.

If exclusivity damaged the industry, we wouldn't have so many TV subscription services available.

Spud1
I don't want Epic to burn - I want them to play fair with the industry, stop bribing publishers to get exclusives, and instead put that money into making a competitive storefront that people want to use. That would be good for everyone!

If exclusivity damaged gaming, we wouldn't have only now started getting HALO on PC.

As above - No point. People just go where the lowest prices at the time are. Anyone who really wants competitive prices just pirates the game or uses a CD Key reseller anyway.
Case in point, Cyberpunk 2077, available on all platforms and all selling at the same price. Any one of them is completely free to offer a more competitive price… so why aren't they?

If exclusivity really damaged the industry, then why aren't all these industry types refusing Epic's offer?
That's what it comes down to - Epic aren't making anyone sign up to the exclusivity. They're just making the offer. Devs and publishers are the ones taking the money and signing the deal, which they do because it's a good deal for them. It costs you nothing different.

Spud1

Ttaskmaster
You get all that, just because Evil Epic is giving ONE completely unrelated game away for just seven days?

I hope Epic do burn. I hope every games company that has ever done anything you didn't like burns.
I want to see who is left, if indeed anyone….

It's a worry when ANY publisher/developer etc gets into bed with Epic at the moment. It's not about “something I don't like” - it's about a predatory practice that is actively hurting the PC gaming industry, and every single gamer who wants competition in the marketplace.

I don't want Epic to burn - I want them to play fair with the industry, stop bribing publishers to get exclusives, and instead put that money into making a competitive storefront that people want to use. That would be good for everyone!

How else do you break a monopoly? make the same launcher and offer the same prices (or even a little cheaper) and people will stay with the default monopoly (Steam).

Neither Valve or Epic are evil or doing wrong, steam have a monopoly and generally don't abuse it but as they are the default for many they don't need to rock the boat. Meanwhile Epic are trying to get as many installs and market share as possible so the only way to do this is giving away games and exclusives.

Why attach emotions to 2 businesses want our money, short term a few exclusives so you install another launcher, long term hopefully a meaningful market share for epic so its enough to disrupt the current monopoly.

Cant wait for new elder scrolls

Welcome back, Indi :)

Update: “Lucasfilm Games and Ubisoft (Massive Entertainment) are collaborating on a new story-driven, open-world Star Wars game”.

https://www.starwars.com/news/lucasfilm-games-interview

Spud1
Two concerns though….MachineGames don't have a good track record - they did a good job with Wolfenstein New Order, but the pseudo expansion pack was average, the full fat Sequel was very average, and youngblood was just….bad. Youngblood in particular was a surprise given they collaborated with Arkane on that, who are very well respected and have an excellent track record.

We'll see - hopefully MachineGames will do a better job of this one…I remain hopeful.

This is my concern with this as well, according to Wiki, they've only made Wolfenstein games, not sure how that'll translate to an Indy game. He clearly does not go gunning down 100s of Nazis! Well, I guess we'll see more in the coming years, I assume this because Starfield and Elder Scrolls VI were announced/teased many years ago and still not seen the light of day.

Also there's rumoured to be a new Indy film in 2022, so it might be a tie-in to that?

we got the idea for a whip based game while, erm, “encouraging” our staff to work, erm, long hours, but it was not crunch, honest..!" <Sound of whip cracking>

Ttaskmaster
Right now I see very healthy ‘competition’ across Steam, GoG, GMG and Epic…. and yet all of whom are charging the exact same price TO THE PENNY for the same game.
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OK, I won't argue back any more - we won't agree, and it will just clog up the thread.

I won't be able to change your mind, any more than I (and many others!) could change people's mind about how awful the industries approach to “”Free to Play" was (and still is), or what DLC has become, or what pay to win became. Those three things have cost consumers a boatload of cash and massively increased overall game prices. Exclusivity deals ultimately result in the same effect in the long term.

Instead, I will hope that we end up with a good Indiana Jones game and that we'll have some choice of where to buy it from :)

Spud1
OK, I won't argue back any more - we won't agree, and it will just clog up the thread.

You're right, I won't argue back any more either… I'll just argue back anyway.

Spud1
I won't be able to change your mind, any more than I (and many others!) could change people's mind about how awful the industries approach to “”Free to Play" was (and still is), or what DLC has become, or what pay to win became. Those three things have cost consumers a boatload of cash and massively increased overall game prices. Exclusivity deals ultimately result in the same effect in the long term.

Exclusivity costs nothing more than everyone being able to sell something for the same price, as evidenced by all the free to sell games which are freely selling for exactly that. A quick look on comparison sites even have graphs charting how consistent these prices are.

If anything, I've bought more games off GoG and Steam than ever before, albeit cheap ones in sales, while I've gotten loads of reasonably good games for free out of Epic. It's gotten me more and cost me less than previous years.
AAA games are still £50-odd on release, which is no different, while many other games are cheaper. Exclusivity just means you get ripped off by one shop instead of all of them.

You'll change my mind when your assertions actually match what I'm experiencing…

Free to play works great, so long as you just play the free stuff.
DLC only works if you actually buy it.
Pay to win only works if you pay.

All this is down to consumers being idiots. Nothing to do with Evil Epic bringing the world to its knees by doing what every other company has already done.
If you want to blame someone, blame the people spending their money!

Spud1
Instead, I will hope that we end up with a good Indiana Jones game and that we'll have some choice of where to buy it from :)

What choice? The price will be the same, the service will be the same, you'll probably use the same PayPal to buy it, and it will likely all link through to the one launcher, so there'll be absolutely no point in having ‘choice’.

Waits for the Brotherhood of Steel to appear in “for reasons”. Pew-pew!!

If they make something that comes close to Uncharted I'll happily play through it.

I do have to wonder if it will more like Tomb Raider

kennyGW
I do have to wonder if it will more like Tomb Raider

The fun Tomb Raider with lots of puzzles and traps and swinging on ropes and the sort of stuff which was inspired by Indiana Jones in the first place….?
Or the reboot Tomb Raider that is all about crafting and shooting and is generally Far Cry lite with really silly storylines?

If they get it right like they did with the Wolfenstein re-boot, this will be incredible.

looking forward to that

Hope it will be released very soon, sounds promissing