Pretty hard to say when neither are within reach, but I'd favour AMD's software and happily reward them for building something actually competitive with my money.
Neither
They're both bad for mmorpgs
Whatever gives me the best deal for my money. Power consumption is a consideration and RDNA2 is better in that regard,but an RTX3060TI isn't too bad in that regard.
surely atm it comes down to whichever I can actually find in stock?
Neither at the moment. Totally fed up with these paper launches (yes I know there's plenty of blame going around). So holding off now till Easter 2021 and we will see how the land lies them.
Whichever is available first, on the crux of it.
Honestly both architectures stand out for different reasons. RDNA2 has some great performance gains over the previous generation and looks to be much better for potential overclocking. Ampere has fairly decent performance gains and does well in Ray Tracing, but is terrible value for money. Cost wise I don't think either architecture provides value for money, RDNA2 is slightly better than Ampere in this regard, however not by much.
Knowing that my next main game also supports Ray Tracing (Cyberpunk), I've managed to order the 3090 FE. Guess we'll see how it pans out. I know I'm not getting value for money though, as well as it being yesterdays contender in a year or two at most.
I also prefer Nvidia drivers over AMD drivers, which I've had horrible experiences with in the past, I'm not convinced they've improved.
Nvidia but purely down to cuda being used and no support for opencl/amd in the software I use.
If it wasn't for that it would be best value for money, assuming there's some stock that is.
Leaning towards Radeon > Nvidia…
Which is odd as last few times it has been Nvidia, but not enough finesse and Edge on Green Team this time… and I think of the power bill as well.. the few FPS difference vs the power is simply not enough for me to go Green Team this time so it will be Team Red, and it would be the 6900XT or better.
Nvidia hands down - RDNA2 is a generation behind the Ampere cards when it comes to DXR, and pricing/availability is similar.
The cards perform very similarly for traditional rasterization and are also priced similarly, but Nvidia have a giant advantage in DXR performance, and are way ahead in DLSS (whether you like/approve of the approach or not).
If you don't care about DXR (and don't think you will either) then just get whichever one you can find in stock.
if you do care about DXR, then it would seem silly to get an AMD card this generation.
It does really seem that unless Nvidia can some thing amazing though, RDNA3 will really up the competition and may give AMD a lead for the first time in years. We've just seen that evolution happen with their CPUs, maybe it will with the GPUs next generation.
To my demise, the RTX 3080 only because I have an old G-sync panel which is not compatible with the new adaptive sync standard so I'll lose the G-sync feature if I go with an AMD gpu.
Neither at the moment, as no plans to buy a new GPU this year or next.
RDNA2 for me please.
Probably won’t be getting anything until the 6700/XT though.
Ampere.
I'm getting an RTX 3060Ti
the Radeon cards would be my preference, not really that fussed about ray tracing, and as the Radeons are meant to be similar in that regard to last gens Nvidia flagship even that isn't too shabby. DLSS isn't something I consider that great - maybe for lower end cards it's ideal giving a free performance boost to those on a budget (on a budget, LOL, with both sides prices that's a joke).
With no stock anywhere, the question becomes purely academic. From reviews, the 6800 looked best for me but they're non-existent and the prices are nowhere near the quoted MSRPs anyway thus making the conclusions drawn from reviews completely irrelevant. So that leaves the 3070 and 3060Ti which look the best in the real world if I can get my hands on one. The best thing to do might just be to soldier on and hope for a 7nm refresh from Nvidia or just skip this gen entirely…
Ampere for me. 3080FE will fit in my rig. Would really like a cut down 3080 sold as a 3070ti (possible if yields are poor). Seems to be the natural fit for something to mix it with the 6800 and 6800XT.
My RTX 3090 is quietly idling and awaiting the next game to awaken it's beastly nature.
I picked my flavor between AMD and Nvidia when I lost faith in AMD's ray tracing performance potential for this generation. Ray tracing + DLSS works in many games I already play, and many games I want to play coming out. And they work well.
liquidflower
Neither
They're both bad for mmorpgs
Why are they bad for MMORPGs?
I'll judge when they're out of proof of concept stage. Though honestly I'm not sure, dlss and better raytracing performance could be nice, but I'm not so sure about the memory capacity. I'm not wanting to spend hundreds on something that could be bottlenecked with next gen consoles possibly pushing texture quality.
If I could get a 6800xt at MRRP I'd buy it. Not too bothered about Ray Tracing really and I think the current Nvidia Ampere variants are being a little too stingy with the memory, aside from the ridiculously priced 3090. I think they'll have something as good as that, at a far more reasonable price soon (3080ti?).
Due to the stock issues, I haven't bothered to read enough about them to really say.
But I'd probably go for a lower-end, yet-to-debut option anyway. The RX 5600 looks like about the sweet spot for what I'd be looking for.
I want to get my hands on two Geforce RTX 3080 cards, but they are nowhere to be found.
I would have to go with AMD, i have been with Nvidia for so long, but now that AMD finally have their head out of the smelly place i want to reward that.
BUT TBH the prices for either ( not the top models ) are a bit higher than i would like to pay for any GFX card, not least now that i am on a pension and no one make a bloody game i would like to play.
Still ! i do pray RDNA 3 will not go even more expensive, cuz that is what i have my eyes set on if my 5700XT can last for that long.
I would also like to know why any GFX card are bad for mmorpgs games ?
And know what cards the millions of people playing those games then use, or maybe mmorpg players are just settling for measly performance as they are so addicted to that particular game genre.
WHY AMD: Nvidia's anti-competitive practices have bored me for years and even if they have better things I will ditch them anytime-anyseason.
Still fine with my 2070 Super at 1440p.
A paper survey to go with the paper launch of Nvidia and AMD latest and greatest lol. With none availability and resellers price gouging how can one possibly make a call atm?
I don't favour one over another any more. Slightly prefer Nvidia drivers model but had several hardware failures in recent years. So no longer willing to buy the top of range model at silly prices. Just comes down to price/performance ratio for mid-range.
seeing as prices for mid range cards is well stupid atm .. i'll hold on to my vega64 .. ray tracing ?? it's only there when you stop to look at it ..
3070's and 6800's should be £450 ish non of this £6-800 stuff but the thing is people are buying it .. yes 7nm expensive atm but they get more chips per wafer so it should be cheaper ..
anyhow will wait for next yr for my last build a good 5nm should last me till i'm dead .. getting way to old to play keyboards filling with arthritis cream and i'm wearing 2 pairs of glasses :P
Friesiansam
Why are they bad for MMORPGs?
Mmorpgs, especially Guild Wars 2, have lots of player character models to draw in detail when they're near you on the map, and lots of flashy visual effects to draw for skills
A Nvidia 1080 card at 1080p resolution gives around 12 fps at full map player events on full quality settings. The 3090 and 6900 are only around 100% faster, so their framerate will only be around 24 fps
It's pretty unplayable. Certainly won't be smooth gameplay or enjoyable
And to get that low framerate, you have to pay £1000 for a card
liquidflower
Friesiansam
Why are they bad for MMORPGs?
Mmorpgs, especially Guild Wars 2, have lots of player character models to draw in detail when they're near you on the map, and lots of flashy visual effects to draw for skills
A Nvidia 1080 card at 1080p resolution gives around 12 fps at full map player events on full quality settings. The 3090 and 6900 are only around 100% faster, so their framerate will only be around 24 fps
It's pretty unplayable. Certainly won't be smooth gameplay or enjoyable
And to get that low framerate, you have to pay £1000 for a card
Basically ancient crappy CPU limited games. NOT MMORPG's in general, you mean old crappy MMORPG's that are purely CPU limited to begin with because the graphics are so low quality that GPU upgrades just don't matter due to poorly coded CPU strings crashing during large player events.
Seriously, LAME example given, MMORPG's with good code management and excellent graphics push new GPUs just fine, you are WAY over-generalizing the entire genre. Older crap is always CPU limited, and stack poor event coding on top of that and no GPU in the world will save you from your poor choice of games.
want something that can have superior fps at 1440p, not interested in Ray tracing…so yeah leaning towards AMD at this time.
Well technically it's a moot point right now given the lack of availability of either but, that aside, at the moment I'd favour AMD.
The 3080's 10GB just isn't enough for a ‘flagship’ card in 2020, IMO. That's less than my 3.5-year old 1080Ti has, and even that's only just coping with Flight Sim 2020 at 1440p in terms of VRAM usage (hovers around 10.5-10.7GB). 16GB seems far more realistic and future proof to me in this day and age.
I'm not overly bothered about ray-racing either, nothing I've seen in those ‘RTX On’ videos makes me think that top-drawer RT performance is a must-have.
I considered waiting to see what the 3080Ti looks like next year, but I'm guessing it'll be expensive. So, if I can pick up a 6800XT in the meantime then I will do.
none is available so it's moot question
It's not much of a choice when both flavours taste like disappointment.
Friesiansam
Why are they bad for MMORPGs?
Text based.
Amd. Their cards always age better and i tend to keep a GPU for a few years (still got an rx480 launch day). Not rushing though as I have a Xbox series X. I dislike nvidias business practices too.
Neither. Frankly, I'm sick of the hype around this nonsense.
It's about time reviews sites stop pandering and letting them think this kind of crap is, in any way, acceptable.
LSG501
Nvidia but purely down to cuda being used and no support for opencl/amd in the software I use.
If it wasn't for that it would be best value for money, assuming there's some stock that is.
Same, if it was purely for gaming I'd probably not mind either way, as I'm not particularly sold on RT yet. But for the CUDA support in the software and frameworks I'm conversant with, I'd choose Nvidia. Well, I did. It arrives on Monday.
Managed to get a SLI system of 3090 cards but did have to wait two months for it. Have to say though the performance is fantastic.
Would not get the AMD yet as ray Tracing and DLSS either not implemented of missing so performance in the latest games is not so good.
MarkOtley
Managed to get a SLI system of 3090 cards but did have to wait two months for it. Have to say though the performance is fantastic.
I've literally just installed my 3090 FE, on the latter part of your post I have to agree on performance. It's noticeable since jumping into games to try it out, especially on the minimum framerates compared to what I was getting on the 2080 FE.
“ray tracing ?? it's only there when you stop to look at it” :rockon:
The games i would like to play, yeah you will not have time to look at the pretty puddles of water on the ground, and other now more shiny and reflective surfaces.
If i had a game to play now, and i had one of these newfangled GFX cards, i am pretty sure i would turn that stuff off,,,,,, and i am on a 1080p screen.
Now if RT gave me a edge in the game i played, then yes i would put it on, not least since now i am probably over 2X older than the people i would be playing against so any edge would be welcome here.
27 is 1/2 of my age, and i think there is plenty of < 27 Yo gamers to go around, and the games i am interested in do not favor age in any way.
MarkOtley
Would not get the AMD yet as ray Tracing and DLSS either not implemented of missing so performance in the latest games is not so good.
Allow me to correct you a little.
Would not get the AMD yet as ray Tracing and DLSS either not implemented or missing so
visual fidelity in the latest games is not so good.
You do know a game with RT off will probably play at least just as well as with RT on,,,,,, even on a Nvidia card, visual settings are not the same as how the game play, it is about how the game look, and seeing how many have been or are playing minecraft the look of a game are not everything.
Personally i would rather play a good DX 10 game than a good looking but bad DX 12 RT game, cuz i play for fun and excitement not for how the game look.
By you statement it is sort of like saying if you took 2 brand new sports cars, and quickly painted one of them flat black with a rattle can, it would then somehow be less fun or exhilarating to drive.
And that would only be true ( and sadly it probably are ) if you care about how you look to others as you drive the car.
I also prefer my water frozen in a cube shape floating in alcohol, but that do not mean it is the only way to consume water.
markotley
would not get the amd yet as ray tracing and dlss either not implemented of missing so performance in the latest games is not so good.
you don't see raytracing untill you stop and look ..
Gentle Viking;4276272
“ray tracing ?? it's only there when you stop to look at it” :rockon:
The games i would like to play, yeah you will not have time to look at the pretty puddles of water on the ground, and other now more shiny and reflective surfaces.
If i had a game to play now, and i had one of these newfangled GFX cards, i am pretty sure i would turn that stuff off,,,,,, and i am on a 1080p screen.
Now if RT gave me a edge in the game i played, then yes i would put it on, not least since now i am probably over 2X older than the people i would be playing against so any edge would be welcome here.
27 is 1/2 of my age, and i think there is plenty of < 27 Yo gamers to go around, and the games i am interested in do not favor age in any way.
rocking the 55 yr old gamer .. same here bro .. oldy's do it best just a little slower :P
I switched from Nvidia to AMD with a Vega 64 as it was good value at the time. Since then, I've had tons of driver issues - not an issue in my experience with Nvidia. Next time I plan to try the limeade again and see if they remain stable.
Of course there's no stock right now, but patience should eventually pay off.
flearider
you don't see raytracing untill you stop and look ..
This is not true, although the impact is has varies hugely on the game. In some - Battfield 5, Metro Exodus for example (i.e. the early titles with support) I would generally agree and I had it turned off in MP mode for both.
More modern implementations like in Control or especially in Black Ops Cold War, it's very noticeable and changes how your vision works in the game due to the dramatic difference in lighting. This is especially key in Cold War, which has a reputation for poorly lit maps anyway which is made significantly worse by disabling raytracing. (I keep DXR enabled in MP games as a result..despite the hit to FPS). I would also argue strongly that ray traced lighting in particular really helps with immersion (as long as it's implemented well).
Sure, DXR is largely something that makes games look better - but it can impact on how you play the game too.
As I said in my original post, some people don't care about DXR and that's fine, each to their own. Personally I do as do many others….and if you are in that camp, then buying a current gen AMD card is not a sensible option. Next generation - maybe!
Nvidia - for the better features and general support (RT, DLSS, Cuda, more stable drivers). I would upgrade for RT, but none of the games I want to play (a selection of multiplayer ones) use it so no point upgrading yet. Don't need to upgrade for any other reason (1070 still runs every game I play fine).
Spud1
Personally I do as do many others….and if you are in that camp, then buying a current gen AMD card is not a sensible option. Next generation - maybe!
Add me to the list of people who upgraded to Ampere purely for the ray tracing. If anybody believes there won't be a massive difference in Cyberpunk 2077 visually with ray tracing, they are fooling themselves to feel better about not having any ray tracing ability in that game due to their hardware choice.
RTX 3090 ready to ray trace CP2077 with full glory. And I will be loving every moment of it.
I had my eye on AMD for the first time however I felt I would miss the additional features that Nvidia cards have over time. I opted for the 3070 in the end as I don't think the pricing of the others are worth it for my needs, I would've liked a 3070 Ti or something like that but I'm more than happy to roll with the 3070 for a while.
Well, at the minute I'm more than happy with the 3060Ti, maxed all the settings out on Warzone and locked to 60FPS its fine, temps are 20oC cooler than my old RX580 was, even with some settings reduced that would drop to mid 50's sometimes and would hit 72oC…
That said, I think RDNA 3 will be where its at, AMD have rattled both Intel and NVidia in the last 18 months, and if you look at the performance difference between the AMD generations rather than comparing them to the Nvidia offerings, then you see, IMHO at least, how much of a threat they are now, look at the 20xx series vs the 30xx series improvements between generations from Nvidia..
I do want to interject that if AMD ever brings chiplet design to GPUs, Nvidia is in DEEP trouble. RDNA4 is the most likely place such a transition would take place, and Nvidia really has no answer to chiplets in it's portfolio. Monolithic dies are all Nv knows how to make so far. AMD's experience with Ryzen/Threadripper/Epyc and chiplet design really gives an edge to AMD that I'm surprised isn't lined up for RDNA3 already (unless it is and it's a surprise…).
Imagine if they bring chiplets to the 7xxxx series and then the series of APU's after that have a combination of chiplet CPU and decent GPU cores…
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Trig;4276348']Imagine if they bring chiplets to the 7xxxx series and then the series of APU's after that have a combination of chiplet CPU and decent GPU cores…
That seems at least within the realm of possibility, though I think 7000 series will likely be RDNA3 and the last monolithic high end GPU from AMD. They can stretch their legs a little further on the current route with 5nm and get away with it, but after that, all bets are off. That is why I guess “8000 series” or RDNA4. But sooner IS possible, and would be smarter to do so sooner than later.
moshpit
Add me to the list of people who upgraded to Ampere purely for the ray tracing. If anybody believes there won't be a massive difference in Cyberpunk 2077 visually with ray tracing, they are fooling themselves to feel better about not having any ray tracing ability in that game due to their hardware choice.
RTX 3090 ready to ray trace CP2077 with full glory. And I will be loving every moment of it.
Pleased for you but, whilst I have the money, personally I couldn't get my head around spending £1500+ on a 3090 (nor any other graphics card that's north of a grand). And the 3080 is no use to me due to its limited VRAM.
Horses for courses though. It'd be a dull world if we were all the same.
moshpit
RTX 3090 ready to ray trace CP2077 with full glory. And I will be loving every moment of it.
(Written) reviews are out (video ones still under embargo), sounds like there are stability and performance issues with CP2077 so, like FS2020, probably best waiting for things to get patched before diving in.