Where do I put the cassette tape?

philehidiot
Where do I put the cassette tape?

In the Aldi boombox.

Does it come with F-18 Interceptor, Batman and The New Zealand Story?

Oh that's nice!

I love the expansion connector hanging out the back, not because I would use it but because it is just so retro. Can't hang a wobbly ram pack off it though :D

1.8GHz, and ram 50% faster. Do I need an excuse? I don't really use the Pi4 that I have!

Actually, that $100 bundle looks like a pretty good deal, and I'm finding it very, very tempting.

I don't need this but I want this.

So how does a UK company figure $100 is equal to £94?

It's bad enough when foreign based manufacturers rip us off with BS exchange rate pricing, but now our own ones are doing the same. And don't give me the usual VAT excuse, because that should have already been factored in to the cost with it being a UK based company.

Bagpuss
So how does a UK company figure $100 is equal to £94?

It's bad enough when foreign based manufacturers rip us off with BS exchange rate pricing, but now our own ones are doing the same. And don't give me the usual VAT excuse, because that should have already been factored in to the cost with it being a UK based company.

Why does VAT not figure? The cost without VAT is presumably £75 which is ~$95 based on a quick search which means we have a small discount…

Bagpuss
So how does a UK company figure $100 is equal to £94?

It's bad enough when foreign based manufacturers rip us off with BS exchange rate pricing, but now our own ones are doing the same. And don't give me the usual VAT excuse, because that should have already been factored in to the cost with it being a UK based company.

Er, no?
If they quote a price for the US it will be plus sales tax. As the sales tax varies by state, there is no way they could have quoted the inclusive price for the US market.

Bagpuss
So how does a UK company figure $100 is equal to £94?

It's bad enough when foreign based manufacturers rip us off with BS exchange rate pricing, but now our own ones are doing the same. And don't give me the usual VAT excuse, because that should have already been factored in to the cost with it being a UK based company.

Global currency is in USD, all things international are priced using USD as a baseline, no ifs and no buts. Because it's in USD it also ignores local VAT/duty in each nation once its converted from the baseline USD value. Nothing to do with it being a UK based company or a company based on Uranus (quite nice this time of year as an asside).

I am lolling - it's made in dollars and the pound is very weak against the dollar right now, so £94 is actually less than I reckoned it would be, I was going with £97

;)

Very Tempting as an all in one for the Man shed plug it in the powerbank just need a monitor hmmm nice I liking this Pi400 now just a pro version with 8Gb and an SSD :-D

Tabbykatze
Global currency is in USD, all things international are priced using USD as a baseline, no ifs and no buts. Because it's in USD it also ignores local VAT/duty in each nation once its converted from the baseline USD value. Nothing to do with it being a UK based company or a company based on Uranus (quite nice this time of year as an asside).

Price comparisons between US prices and UK prices vary on several factors, among which is that typical consumer prices in the US are quoted excluding sales tax (because, as said earlier) they vary state to state, and sometimes depending on ex-tax price if you're mail-ordering from out of state. Conversely, prices in the UK primarily for consumers must include VAT. Those UK prices might also include import duty (which varies between 0% and quite a lot, depending on which of thousands of codes apply) and even in some cases (though not this) excise duty.

But then, it also depends on what prices the article publisher is using, which could be manufacturer pricing, or “typical” retail pricing in the UK and, within some limits, retailers can charge whatever they like. That £94 price is certainly exactly the same as one common Pi UK supplier, including VAT, so it may well be that that is what's being used in the article and, to he honest, is much more useful for a product currently available in UK retail channels than some notional manufacturer pricing.

So the difference is likely to be some combination of sales tax/VAT, import duties (if being imported), exchange rates and retailer profit margins.

In some cases though, such as when a manufacturer makes a product announcement in advance of actual retail availability, you may get give unit price (per 1000 units), probably in dollars which is a common international currency, but is often not terribly accurate as a reflection of eventual retail pricing but does at least give a ball-park guide.

What would help in articles, though, is a hint at what prices are based on. In this case, either by design or coincidence (my bet is on design) the quoted UK price is current, actual UK price from a large UK Pi retailer.

PMMEASURES
Very Tempting as an all in one for the Man shed plug it in the powerbank just need a monitor hmmm nice I liking this Pi400 now just a pro version with 8Gb and an SSD :-D

+ the 4GB of extra RAM and I’m in too

KultiVator
+ the 4GB of extra RAM and I’m in too

I do wonder with the “400” model naming if there will be an “800”. Perhaps even an “850”. This one would have to sell well enough first though, but I suspect it will.

Still resisting the “buy” button, but it is in plenty of time for Christmas :)

PMMEASURES
Very Tempting as an all in one for the Man shed plug it in the powerbank just need a monitor hmmm nice I liking this Pi400 now just a pro version with 8Gb and an SSD :-D

Thing is even with 8GB RAM it's still only ever going to be a rather slow quad core A72.
A72 versus even last year's A77 is a huge jump:

(Deimos is A72)

Saracen999
Price comparisons between US prices and UK prices vary on several factors, among which is that typical consumer prices in the US are quoted excluding sales tax (because, as said earlier) they vary state to state, and sometimes depending on ex-tax price if you're mail-ordering from out of state. Conversely, prices in the UK primarily for consumers must include VAT. Those UK prices might also include import duty (which varies between 0% and quite a lot, depending on which of thousands of codes apply) and even in some cases (though not this) excise duty.

But then, it also depends on what prices the article publisher is using, which could be manufacturer pricing, or “typical” retail pricing in the UK and, within some limits, retailers can charge whatever they like. That £94 price is certainly exactly the same as one common Pi UK supplier, including VAT, so it may well be that that is what's being used in the article and, to he honest, is much more useful for a product currently available in UK retail channels than some notional manufacturer pricing.

So the difference is likely to be some combination of sales tax/VAT, import duties (if being imported), exchange rates and retailer profit margins.

In some cases though, such as when a manufacturer makes a product announcement in advance of actual retail availability, you may get give unit price (per 1000 units), probably in dollars which is a common international currency, but is often not terribly accurate as a reflection of eventual retail pricing but does at least give a ball-park guide.

What would help in articles, though, is a hint at what prices are based on. In this case, either by design or coincidence (my bet is on design) the quoted UK price is current, actual UK price from a large UK Pi retailer.

As far as I'm aware and have seen, when anything is advertised in USD it never includes sales tax or duty of any kind in our “local” advertising. Until it's converted to GBP then it will include the relevant unless specifically stated otherwise.

We don't operate in the UK on USD so when an press release includes prices in USD they have no obligation to provide the price+duty(if from overseas)+VAT.

kompukare
Thing is even with 8GB RAM it's still only ever going to be a rather slow quad core A72.
A72 versus even last year's A77 is a huge jump:

(Deimos is A72)

I don't think that is the point of a Pi. Made to hit $35 for the standard model however that happens….

3dcandy
I don't think that is the point of a Pi. Made to hit $35 for the standard model however that happens….

That might have been the point of the original Pi, but the Pi Zero was cheap enough to go on a magazine cover, the Pi compute module gets plugged into all sorts of things.

If this sells, and I hope it does, then it is another class of Pi. A $100 price point for a cased client machine seems reasonable, I've ordered Pi kits with cases, power supplies and SD cards etc in the past which all adds up and these would have been so much better.

If client Pi machines take off, then maybe at some point we will get one with an NVMe socket and maybe an SO-DIMM. I'll take mine in very mini tower thanks, and plug in a keyboard :D

DanceswithUnix

3dcandy
I don't think that is the point of a Pi. Made to hit $35 for the standard model however that happens….

That might have been the point of the original Pi, but the Pi Zero was cheap enough to go on a magazine cover, the Pi compute module gets plugged into all sorts of things.

If this sells, and I hope it does, then it is another class of Pi. A $100 price point for a cased client machine seems reasonable, I've ordered Pi kits with cases, power supplies and SD cards etc in the past which all adds up and these would have been so much better.

If client Pi machines take off, then maybe at some point we will get one with an NVMe socket and maybe an SO-DIMM. I'll take mine in very mini tower thanks, and plug in a keyboard :D

It's still a Pi 4 so choices like cpu/network/ram/usb are still based on certain criteria. That's my point! They can't move to far away from that because then the OS builds etc. won't work…

Oh and plenty of SBC's with nvme sockets etc. available but they are vastly more costly to buy

I'm liking the non bundled version price wise but after setting up pihole I still have a spare zero W and IR camera waiting for me to make into a trail camera and I just know this would sit in its box :(

3dcandy
It's still a Pi 4 so choices like cpu/network/ram/usb are still based on certain criteria. That's my point! They can't move to far away from that because then the OS builds etc. won't work…

Oh and plenty of SBC's with nvme sockets etc. available but they are vastly more costly to buy

The Pi foundation are shifting millions of boards a year, and I gather the Pi4 SoC was made to their specification rather than hacking up with an existing part like the original Pi: ISTR the same chip as Pi2 was in NowTV boxes.

I'm sure staying pin compatible would be nice, but if the 400 takes off there could be a case for just upping the spec. One of the things I like about writing for embedded Linux is using a Linux PC to target it, but there are times when I find myself using the 800MHz A9 cores of the target to run the exact target code under a debugger. Using a decent ARM based system as my development platform would have some serious plus points, but as a down side I am typing this on a 3700X which monsters even the 16 core A76 board we have at work.

Now, the PC I have at the office is an old 955BE Phenom II machine. That old quad core is a comparatively soft target to reach.

Tabbykatze
As far as I'm aware and have seen, when anything is advertised in USD it never includes sales tax or duty of any kind in our “local” advertising. Until it's converted to GBP then it will include the relevant unless specifically stated otherwise.

We don't operate in the UK on USD so when an press release includes prices in USD they have no obligation to provide the price+duty(if from overseas)+VAT.

But if an article (which is different to an advert) refers to prices in the UK, in £, I would expect it to be inclusive of VAT if it was an article aimed at consumers. It's different if it's an article targeted at trade or business buyers, of course. Anyway, that was always, without exception, the standard I was expected to work to in several thousand articles for UK a good couple of dozen UK publications. My process was to verify typical UK pricing, just to give a reader a guide as to what to expect to pay, though I certainly wasn't paid to hunt down best price. Some publications asked me to check several common suppliers and give the price and supplier of the cheapest. Others just wanted a guide price, and no names. But always, publications aimed primarily at consumers required either VAT-inclusive UK prices or, occasionally, both. But, similarly, when writing for US publications (a lot fewer articles, admittedly) prices were always quoted excluding sales tax, as indeed they are given in shops in the US.

Anyway, it really doesn't matter. What does, really, is to give a guide price in s standard way. Final price research is down to the buyer.

I like the idea, but my Pi4 sits under the tv 12 feet away and I use a Bluetooth keyboard. This setup would mean I now need to run a 12 foot hdmi cable from Pi to tv.

silversurfer4867
I like the idea, but my Pi4 sits under the tv 12 feet away and I use a Bluetooth keyboard. This setup would mean I now need to run a 12 foot hdmi cable from Pi to tv.

Or, more likely, that you would keep using your bluetooth keyboard and the one that the Pi is built into would get very dusty.