“We've heard from many of you that there should be more cards available on launch day,” mused the graphics chip designer. “To help make that happen, we are updating the availability date to Thursday, October 29th.”

Clearly not true, just spin.

"As a lot of people are unhappy they may not be able to buy a card, we've decided to no one will be able to buy one at all, for 2 weeks.

AMD's big navi announcement is on the 28th October…. funny how it's just 1 day later lol.

Being a day after big navi announcement can't be a coincidence!

…. or they could just have a vetted preorder system. I dunno, just thinking out loud here.

orr they're cacking themselves regarding which capacitors went in them and are getting everyone to test and update drivers asap

ik9000
orr they're cacking themselves regarding which capacitors went in them and are getting everyone to test and update drivers asap

This is exactly what I was going to say earlier this morning.

I feel it's a combination of the recently detected faults and uncertainty over AMDs potential.

so big Navi is actually the Navy* Nvidia's biggest threat is prebuilts that will have both next gen Cpus and Gpus from the same company. Looks like this marketshare thing is straining.

I think the 3060/3070 are going to be the cards people actually buy, however they're playing a dangerous game given the AMD date and the issues they're having, or not having, depending on who you think is really at fault with the issues, be it drivers, caps, AIB's scrimping etc..

I'll wait until I can actually buy a card and reviews are out before I make a call, which is exactly what I've been saying since the botched 3080FE launch..

well the 3080 cards can't overclock…. what would make the 3070ish better other than the price? and maybe able to clock up higher or lower…. and the benefit from the 3090 is still thin as well.

Really am interested in seeing what is going to happen with AMD… uh could be fun if AMD ended doing what they did with Intel in the x86 line.

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Trig;4259146']depending on who you think is really at fault with the issues, be it drivers, caps, AIB's scrimping etc..

Interestingly, aside from the issue of the caps and the drivers, no-one really seems to be looking directly at the GPU itself. It could just be a really naff modified Samsung node process causing the real issues. I mean we've seen issues before with Nvidia GPUs failing due to poor BGA solder or whatever that particular episode was (been a while, forgotten), so it's not unknown for them to have packaging issues et al.

Moving it back after the AMD launch. Maybe they're bullish about the 3070's prospects? Or just want to make sure Nvidia stays at the forefront of the news cycle.

It's a win all round to do this. Extra testing and stocking. Perceived zero stock (whether accurate or not) would have played into AMD's hands in the event AMD does have stock ready, likewise early reports of instability aren't what you need when people haven't bought yet (because they couldn't). Only question now is performance and they're either confident enough that people will buy the 3070 on it's own merits (despite having seen Navi the day before) or they think Navi is competing in a different class, with the 3080, say, so it doesn't matter if the 3070 is out after.

or they just want to steal PR thunder by not letting AMD have a clear run at the headlines. If you distract fan boys with your own product launch maybe just maybe they might not see the competitors… etc

ik9000
or they just want to steal PR thunder by not letting AMD have a clear run at the headlines. If you distract fan boys with your own product launch maybe just maybe they might not see the competitors… etc

For once I don't think that's the reason, or they'd launch just before AMD rather than just after. However if a review embargo suddenly lifts just before the AMD launch then that's definitely the reason.

kalniel
For once I don't think that's the reason, or they'd launch just before AMD rather than just after. However if a review embargo suddenly lifts just before the AMD launch then that's definitely the reason.

Huh? If they launch just before, no doubt that people would talk about the 3070 and then will move onto the next hot topic which would be AMD's release so you would want to go right after and a day after is exactly what you want to quickly fade away AMD's highlighting.

A distasteful move by Nvidia, I would say.

If it's a better product then you launch before (see 20X0 super and 5700), if it's worse then hurry it out fast before the better competition is available (i.e. the latest intel HEDT)