No chipset fan :)

The best boards in terms of looks I've seem so far is the Asrock Extreme4 and some of the strix boards. Also the 1 Gigabyte shown is okay. I still dislike that stupid bird logo. Not liking any of the MSi boards. Then again if they have great VRM and performance… who cares. Now the price will be a factor also. Mostly I would tell people to try and wait for the next chipset launch of boards and cpu's. B550 chipset is the end of the line. If you need a system now though. You gotta do what you gotta do.

Just shows the support for \AMD now with how many boards they are making.

Seems a good way of cutting down the x570 without losing too much.

Still happy with my X570 board but may have got one of these if it was available at the time, will be interesting to see more testing on the VRMs and RAM support.

Wonder how many will be at the budget end? Was looking at a £55 B450 mobo as bells and whistles ain't my thing - be interesting to see what these start from.

Quick Google and Tom's is suggesting “from $100”.

jimbouk
Wonder how many will be at the budget end? Was looking at a £55 B450 mobo as bells and whistles ain't my thing - be interesting to see what these start from.

Quick Google and Tom's is suggesting “from $100”.

I'm in much the same boat, itching to order a new uATX board but trying to hold off. I notice the Asus Gaming TUF board has a 2.5GbE port, I could be tempted by that.

But some of the B450 boards can be had so cheap…

I find it interesting that 2.5GbE has become a thing all of a sudden.

I would imagine the vast majority at home just have gigabit switches so they would only be able to provide 1GbE speeds even to these new boards. I guess the progression of technology in to the mainstream has to start somewhere.

Intel has a problem with the 2.5GbE on its new motherboards:
https://wccftech.com/intel-400-series-chipsets-z490-i225-v-network-controller-issue-fix-2h-2020/

rob4001
No chipset fan :)

I was worried about the chipset fan on the X570s but apparently they never spin up. Sounds to me like they are there purely for when overclocking is push hard or for running in hot environments.

Apparently, in normal use they just never spin up. I must say that's also my experience.

Will there be X670?

philehidiot
I was worried about the chipset fan on the X570s but apparently they never spin up. Sounds to me like they are there purely for when overclocking is push hard or for running in hot environments.

Apparently, in normal use they just never spin up. I must say that's also my experience.

I will second this, either it never spins up or it doesn't make a sound when it does.

From the sound of it 2 PCI-E 4 NVME drives at full tilt will kick the fan in.

Ciber
Will there be X670?

Usually when new chips come out, so most likely there will be an X670 in September for Zen 3.

DanceswithUnix
Usually when new chips come out, so most likely there will be an X670 in September for Zen 3.

That's what I was thinking.

Jowsey
I find it interesting that 2.5GbE has become a thing all of a sudden.

I would imagine the vast majority at home just have gigabit switches so they would only be able to provide 1GbE speeds even to these new boards. I guess the progression of technology in to the mainstream has to start somewhere.

I wonder how related it is to intel saying their new chipset needs it? There's past history of intel pushing innovative & useful stuff onto PCs (like how they dragged up the standard for early SSDs)

Jowsey
I find it interesting that 2.5GbE has become a thing all of a sudden.

I would imagine the vast majority at home just have gigabit switches so they would only be able to provide 1GbE speeds even to these new boards. I guess the progression of technology in to the mainstream has to start somewhere.

This is a rather old standard now which seems to have taken an age to hit any sort of tipping point. It seems to me too small a bump over current Ethernet, and too close to high end Internet connections. If they pushed 5GbE interfaces, then it could still do 2.5GbE for those with an office full of Cat5e cable but those of us with short runs of Cat5e or Cat6 could push faster. These are still slow rates compared with USB or any of the video interfaces that you get all over a PC backplate.

If this sorts out the “chicken before the egg” problem of adoption, that's awesome. OTOH, I'm tempted to just go straight to using the £90 10GbE cards like the Asus.

The 2.5GbE option is broken on current Intel motherboards - check the link I put in this thread!

A slide showcasing Intel's internal assessment of the Foxville ‘Inter Packet Gap (IPG)’ reveals that the I225-V has an issue which would lead to packet loss and reduced network performance in the range of 1-10 Mb/s.

CAT-THE-FIFTH
The 2.5GbE option is broken on current Intel motherboards - check the link I put in this thread!

Indeed, and dropped packets are very bad if you are impacted by that. From reading Intel's errata, it does work with some switches/routers (including talking to other I225-V1 chips) and will sense if there is a problem and automatically drop the link speed to 1GbE to give reliable networking.

It isn't Intel's first erratum, won't be their last, and given the erratum dated 27th March mentions that revised silicon was already on its way it won't be long at all before fixed silicon hits the factories.

Yeah we expect better from Intel, partly because their networking chips are damned good. If users were paying through the nose for this 2.5GbE upgrade then I could see some reason for getting the pitchforks out, but these days I would hope that 2.5GbE would be no more expensive to produce than 1GbE. The Aquantia chips that the likes of Asus were putting on their top end boards were way more capable and seemed to raise the cost by about £50 (vs you can buy a stand alone card on Amazon for £88 delivered). So this is probably costing less than all that RGB junk, and actually has a chance of being useful and productive and at worst is a top end 1GbE port.

Edit: Perhaps they should have labelled this as 1GbE port, and let users discover a hack to enable higher speed.

DanceswithUnix
Indeed, and dropped packets are very bad if you are impacted by that. From reading Intel's errata, it does work with some switches/routers (including talking to other I225-V1 chips) and will sense if there is a problem and automatically drop the link speed to 1GbE to give reliable networking.

It isn't Intel's first erratum, won't be their last, and given the erratum dated 27th March mentions that revised silicon was already on its way it won't be long at all before fixed silicon hits the factories.

Yeah we expect better from Intel, partly because their networking chips are damned good. If users were paying through the nose for this 2.5GbE upgrade then I could see some reason for getting the pitchforks out, but these days I would hope that 2.5GbE would be no more expensive to produce than 1GbE. The Aquantia chips that the likes of Asus were putting on their top end boards were way more capable and seemed to raise the cost by about £50 (vs you can buy a stand alone card on Amazon for £88 delivered). So this is probably costing less than all that RGB junk, and actually has a chance of being useful and productive and at worst is a top end 1GbE port.

Edit: Perhaps they should have labelled this as 1GbE port, and let users discover a hack to enable higher speed.

It does make me wonder whether the current Z490 motherboards will be short lived though! Maybe we we will get a Z495 in a few months time?! :P

CAT-THE-FIFTH
The 2.5GbE option is broken on current Intel motherboards - check the link I put in this thread!

Intel
"Intel is committed to delivering the highest levels of product quality and has already corrected the issue in the latest production version of the silicon. I225 v2 is already in production. We identified an IEEE spec variance in the Intel Ethernet Controller I225 that results in performance degradation when paired with some 2.5GbE switches and routers. Consumers experiencing this issue should ensure they have the latest software driver and associated firmware installed and can refer to https://www.intel.com/i225v1 for compatible switches and routers to ensure 2.5Gb/s connectivity."

Great news! They've fixed the issue in silicon!

Don't think too hard about what this means for all the motherboards already out there; it's fine now because they've already fixed it.

Intel are great, aren't they?

DanceswithUnix
Yeah we expect better from Intel, partly because their networking chips are damned good.

Hm, for their Wifi cards their drivers aren't though. Or more precisely, their support is poor.
Think it was the N7260 on my Thinkpad T540p where they didn't work* with Windows10 and I was forced to buy the Realtek RTL8192 card on ebay.
Since the T540p only pre-dates Win10 by one year I was not impressed, but I certainly wouldn't pay extra for Intel networking over Realtek based on this.
Guess poor drivers is not unusual for Intel. Intel graphic drivers are notorious for never being updated although they are at least usually stable.
*don't remember the full details now but AFAIR Intel did have Win10 drivers but they kept disconnecting and the consensus was the bug wasn't going to be fixed. Lenovo now have a newer driver dated May 2020 but I can't be bother to swap the card back in the off-chance that Intel fixed it.

kompukare
Hm, for their Wifi cards their drivers aren't though. Or more precisely, their support is poor.

That could well be. Sorry, I'm old, I don't consider WiFi to be reliable or frankly even proper networking. A glance at the WiFi Analyzer app on my phone shows the airwaves around here are saturated with WiFi making it a bit of a signal strength arms race where only the vendors of mesh network and commercial grade access points win :D I certainly hear you on the graphic driver front.

Many many years ago Intel bought up the old DEC networking team responsible for the best wired network cards of the time and it seems to be one of the few cases where these things work.

Rather contrasts with the DEC Alpha CPU team who seemed to defect Intel en-masse to help create the Athlon :)