Out of my reach .. A nice 20K version with 100mile range, 4 seats , nothing fancy. For the Covid-20 world …

I'm sure someone would have still bought it at that price

Would have been Singapore's first performance EV??

persimmon
Out of my reach .. A nice 20K version with 100mile range, 4 seats , nothing fancy. For the Covid-20 world …

100 miles seems rough - you basically can't leave town. At 20K, that's a non-starter for most people.

I wonder why it costs 150K to build, that seems way out of line with the market. It looks fairly plain, especially on the inside, very different from more luxury models it would be competing with.

globalwarning
I wonder why it costs 150K to build, that seems way out of line with the market. It looks fairly plain, especially on the inside, very different from more luxury models it would be competing with.

Probably most of the cost is because of the battery that can handle 600 miles with a single charge.

Shogo
Probably most of the cost is because of the battery that can handle 600 miles with a single charge.

Which when Singapore is an island 30 miles wide seems really necessary :D

globalwarning
I wonder why it costs 150K to build, that seems way out of line with the market. It looks fairly plain, especially on the inside, very different from more luxury models it would be competing with.

Solid state battery - so basically brand new tech

globalwarning
I wonder why it costs 150K to build, that seems way out of line with the market. It looks fairly plain, especially on the inside, very different from more luxury models it would be competing with.

Erm for a 7 seater car all electric £150k is not unreasonable. Taycan is not much less with half the range

Note unreasonable doesn't mean people will buy it…

2.5 tons and 600 mile range? I'm calling BS on that.

ohmaheid
2.5 tons and 600 mile range? I'm calling BS on that.

Look up “solid state battery”

Then understand how both the 600 mile range is possible and that the car was never commercially viable at the same time. :)

ohmaheid
2.5 tons and 600 mile range? I'm calling BS on that.

Yup google solid state battery some interesting info out there.
Batteries are very very heavy - a lot more than an internal combustion engine for sure. The battery will be a high percentage of the weight.
2.5 tons isn't that heavy for a modern car either. 2020 range rovers, for example, are around 3 tons

persimmon
Out of my reach .. A nice 20K version with 100mile range, 4 seats , nothing fancy. For the Covid-20 world …

Well, that electric car already exists with the new Volkswagen e-Up - 160 miles range, 4 seats and a price of approx. £20,000 ;)

Well if the battery technology is so great i'm sure they got loads of buyers that want those, so start making those! :P Don't sit on tech that will improve the world dyson!

dtomsen
Well, that electric car already exists with the new e-Up ;)

Indeed - missus is huge VW fangirl but her friends in the dealer are saying 100km not miles is more like the range in actual use.

Still might be good enough for some, but not us. And then charging points at the moment more appear broken than working. We also live in a flat so we can't have a charging point at home and nearest point is 2 miles away and the missus is disabled….

3dcandy
Indeed - missus is huge VW fangirl but her friends in the dealer are saying 100km not miles is more like the range in actual use.

Still might be good enough for some, but not us. And then charging points at the moment more appear broken than working. We also live in a flat so we can't have a charging point at home and nearest point is 2 miles away and the missus is disabled….

The battery pack has been improved in the newest version from 18,7 to 32,3 kWh so probably more in the range of 200 km in actual use ;)

And here in Denmark a home charging station is included in the deal.

Unfortunately the allocated batch of 300 e-Ups have been sold out long before arrival :(

dtomsen
The battery pack has been improved in the newest version from 18,7 to 32,3 kWh so probably more in the range of 200 km in actual use ;)

And here in Denmark a home charging station is included in the deal.

Unfortunately the allocated batch of 300 e-Ups have been sold out long before arrival :(

I'll say it again - the garage have tested one and can't get the range quoted. Too many stop starts in the UK to get the range. It's fine having a charger included but we can't fit one we are not allowed to do it as we live in a flat…

The garage said in their test they got about 100 km. Still not bad but not enough for us because of a lack of infrastructure

3dcandy
I'll say it again - the garage have tested one and can't get the range quoted. Too many stop starts in the UK to get the range. It's fine having a charger included but we can't fit one we are not allowed to do it as we live in a flat…

The garage said in their test they got about 100 km. Still not bad but not enough for us because of a lack of infrastructure

Strange that…
The quoted range is 260 km and most reviewers get around 180-200 km with mixed driving in the city and outside in the country side. Only fast driving on the highways drains the battery that fast.

A 100 km range would make the e-Up unusable even as a city car :(

dtomsen
Strange that…
The quoted range is 260 km and most reviewers get around 180-200 km with mixed driving in the city and outside in the country side. Only fast driving on the highways drains the battery that fast.

A 100 km range would make the e-Up unusable even as a city car :(

Yup - it's a garage remember and they said part of the problem was keeping it charged… infrastructure in the UK is very very poor.
I personally reckon that they struggled to charge it fully and useage as a “test” car didn't help but they were adamant that they thought it was nearly, but not quite there yet
Know a few with electric cars and none of them get anywhere near the quoted range, most get half to 75%

Bloody heavy for a vacuum cleaner anyway. lol.

badass
Look up “solid state battery”

Then understand how both the 600 mile range is possible and that the car was never commercially viable at the same time. :)

Which is why i'm calling BS. There is NO commercially viable solid-state battery tech at the moment.
Tesla doesn't have it. Dyson doesn't have it, and neither do the big German car manufacturers.

Therefore it's more of Dyson's BS.

ohmaheid
Which is why i'm calling BS. There is NO commercially viable solid-state battery tech at the moment.
Tesla doesn't have it. Dyson doesn't have it, and neither do the big German car manufacturers.

Therefore it's more of Dyson's BS.

Right in the article linked it says that it wasn't commercially viable…
We are agreeing - it's not BS it's just not ready for prime time

From the outside I don't think it looks too bad, inside though, jeez what happened there

mers
Bloody heavy for a vacuum cleaner anyway. lol.

Good point, the cost of reinforcing the house's wall so I could hang it up to re-charge could be a deal breaker :D

Having used Dyson vacuums which need constant maintenance due to parts breaking and insides needing cleaning out I would never buy a car from them anyway.

ohmaheid
2.5 tons and 600 mile range? I'm calling BS on that.

My initial thoughts. It might not be “commercially viable” but prototypes have to use stuff that can be feasibly mass produced or acquired for assembly, otherwise they're not worth making (unless the plan isn't to make something that can transition into a mass produced product, which does happen in the realm of concept cars). Dyson won't be making those batteries, they'll be buying them in as Tesla did.

I know of nothing that is ready for mass production / prime time that has this kind of energy density.

Sounds like a marketing plug to me, and one which will never be verified because no one will make it, and they have the prototypes.

It's an excellent way of telling investors “this is why we couldn't move it and why your dividends are lower than you hoped. It's all down to the market, we made something awesome and amazing and so it's still worth investing in our creative genius”. Tesla's first cars were stupidly expensive - there was still a market in the early adopter, greenie millionaires. If it was viable, you'd have been mad to not build them to order, charge a fortune and make it a halo product people could use to show how green they are. You might not get all your money back, but you'd get some and you'd also get a lot of notoriety, helping to push the “green” credentials of your brand.

You could even get a second mortgage and a Dyson hair dryer to pop on the seat next to you for posing value.

Back to the initial comment - does anyone know of anything currently mass produced that could have this kind of energy density? Bearing in mind the sheer size of the car and that it's probably going to be using 1.5 tonne on everything else…

Jonj1611
From the outside I don't think it looks too bad, inside though, jeez what happened there

my thoughts exactl. Those seats summarise my opinion of Dyson design aesthetic: unnecessarily busy and designed to fail rather than to last.

As long as the batteries are not a rubbish as there vacuum cleaners batteries.

philehidiot
My initial thoughts. It might not be “commercially viable” but prototypes have to use stuff that can be feasibly mass produced or acquired for assembly, otherwise they're not worth making (unless the plan isn't to make something that can transition into a mass produced product, which does happen in the realm of concept cars). Dyson won't be making those batteries, they'll be buying them in as Tesla did.

I know of nothing that is ready for mass production / prime time that has this kind of energy density.

Sounds like a marketing plug to me, and one which will never be verified because no one will make it, and they have the prototypes.

It's an excellent way of telling investors “this is why we couldn't move it and why your dividends are lower than you hoped. It's all down to the market, we made something awesome and amazing and so it's still worth investing in our creative genius”. Tesla's first cars were stupidly expensive - there was still a market in the early adopter, greenie millionaires. If it was viable, you'd have been mad to not build them to order, charge a fortune and make it a halo product people could use to show how green they are. You might not get all your money back, but you'd get some and you'd also get a lot of notoriety, helping to push the “green” credentials of your brand.

You could even get a second mortgage and a Dyson hair dryer to pop on the seat next to you for posing value.

Back to the initial comment - does anyone know of anything currently mass produced that could have this kind of energy density? Bearing in mind the sheer size of the car and that it's probably going to be using 1.5 tonne on everything else…

Tesla didn't have tesla to compete against though - they were competing with this:


People wanting to show their credentials have plenty of options now, so dyson would have had to make a car which actually was competitive.

Solid state batteries are pretty great, if you can get them to work. Typical EV cells are ~250 w*hrs/kg, whereas claimed theoretical performance for a solid state cell can be as high as 350 w*hrs/kg. I bet the fancy batteries were responsible for a significant fraction of the cost of this thing