I didn't resent paying so much for an AMD mobo given it had PCI-e 4 and was fairly certain to be good for a CPU upgrade in the future. It was a product built to last.
Intel plans obsolescence into their product ranges. These motherboards are disposable items in many ways - you are not going to keep one for longer than the CPU.
They couldn't get away with soldering the CPU directly onto the motherboard, so they just made it so you had to throw away the mobo to upgrade anyway.
They may well be of identical quality in terms of components, build, etc. But they are not designed as PCs were meant to be designed - to be the core of the system into which modular components can be placed and chopped and changed whilst the mobo stays the same except when major, step advances in technology prohibit it.
27% and up more expensive despite the fact that they aren't really much different from previous generations…
And $170 - and they wonder why AMD are making massive inroads into the desktop space
Watch as power consumption won't suddenly matter as much,if Intel wins 10% in games.
:P
Give it a few weeks, we'll have LGA1200 motherboards made with thrice recycled H110 chips from the Far East, there will be about two dozen brands of the same boards on Aliexpress - for a few weeks. After that, they'd be gone forever, but immortalised in the various “The board Intel didn't want you to know about” videos on Youtube.
DDY
Give it a few weeks, we'll have LGA1200 motherboards made with thrice recycled H110 chips from the Far East, there will be about two dozen brands of the same boards on Aliexpress - for a few weeks. After that, they'd be gone forever, but immortalised in the various “The board Intel didn't want you to know about” videos on Youtube.
Said by a man who appears to have experience!
philehidiot
Intel plans obsolescence into their product ranges. These motherboards are disposable items in many ways - you are not going to keep one for longer than the CPU.
This part is especially true, if I was going to have to buy a new motherboard to upgrade my CPU performance right now I'd opt for a Ryzen build without any second thought.
No thanks Intel, got stung with a Z77 with no upgrade path due to your locking new processors to new boards.
Don't worry I got myself an x570 now, so have a path for higher processors (current 3700x) as well as a couple more generations of superior zen processors.
I am not going to say I am never coming back but right now I can't see any reason to for the foreseeable future.
When you say a plethora of intel chipsets leak is it bad that my first though was “not another intel vulnerability to side-channel-exploit/attack?”
In other news, …………Intel, not content with shooting itself in one foot, decides to unload the remaining barrel into its other foot. FFS, Chipzilla you got it wrong yet again.
philehidiot
Intel plans obsolescence into their product ranges. These motherboards are disposable items in many ways - you are not going to keep one for longer than the CPU.
Generally correct, but AMD do this too. It's common in the whole industry - I know Hexus is heavily anti Intel and pro AMD, but be fair - this is an industry wide problem and Intel are no worse than AMD in this way….
edit: I should also add that of course, Intel and AMD have both also maintained compatibility between CPUs/chipsets in the recent past…
Spud1
philehidiot
Intel plans obsolescence into their product ranges. These motherboards are disposable items in many ways - you are not going to keep one for longer than the CPU.
Generally correct, but AMD do this too. It's common in the whole industry - I know Hexus is heavily anti Intel and pro AMD, but be fair - this is an industry wide problem and Intel are no worse than AMD in this way….
edit: I should also add that of course, Intel and AMD have both also maintained compatibility between CPUs/chipsets in the recent past…
You must be living in a different reality than me…
Spud1
Generally correct, but AMD do this too. It's common in the whole industry - I know Hexus is heavily anti Intel and pro AMD, but be fair - this is an industry wide problem and Intel are no worse than AMD in this way….
edit: I should also add that of course, Intel and AMD have both also maintained compatibility between CPUs/chipsets in the recent past…
I just had a quick check on desktop socket types over the last decade and shockingly you seem to be correct, in that both camps have released about 6 major versions over the last 10 years. Colour me surprised. :surprised: Thanks
Is the Hexus membership anti Intel really though? Personally I have way more PC's using Intel cpu's than AMD & I wouldn't, despite my previous comment, say I'm anti Intel. Just pee'd off with them that my recently purchased Z390 board is effectively EOL as far as CPU gen upgrades go.
*Edit* Note to self, next time when doing a major upgrade check how many CPU generation revisions the cpu socket in question has gone through before purchasing.
jimborae
Is the Hexus membership anti Intel really though?
Not everyone clearly, but if you go back and look at any news posting for AMD and then look at the equivalent from Intel or Nvidia…comments on AMD are overwhelmingly positive, wheras Intel & Nvidia are constantly put down, regardless of whether it's valid or not.
Spud1
Not everyone clearly, but if you go back and look at any news posting for AMD and then look at the equivalent from Intel or Nvidia…comments on AMD are overwhelmingly positive, wheras Intel & Nvidia are constantly put down, regardless of whether it's valid or not.
not exactly true. Go back 10 years and I was a bit pro-intel and Nvidia, not quite fanboy, but AMD offerings at the time, both CPU and GPU were lacking. What has swung me in the interim is 1) AMD finally pulling their finger out and releasing something worth looking at 2) AMD putting modern features on their mobo like PCIe4 and wifi6 etc, 3) not trying to artificially limit us to 4 cores, 8 threads for no reason, and 4) actually having backwards and forwards compatibility. A Ryzen 1 chip will work in X570, as will Ryzen 3 and possibly Ryzen 4 when they come out. Intel would not offer that upgrade path. I bought S1156 and watched as I got stuck without an upgrade path as 1155, 1150 etc all came out leaving me behind. It has been shown, with working demonstrations, that all of those iterations were just that - iterations, and all could be made to work in s1156 if they'd wanted to. They didn't want to because money speaks. So now, when intel really are 2nd place in their offerings, why would I voluntarily go for one of their options? It's not about being a fanboy. It's about looking at the options available, weighing-up the pros and cons, and choosing accordingly. And if that coincides with a two-fingered salute at the company who burned me 10 years ago, then all well and good SFAIC.
Rooting for the underdog; Intel has had such a strangle hold for so long.
Intel has consistently pushed a 10% yearly upgrade for so long it has stagnated the enthusiast market.
I think AMD with its latest chiplet design and the am4 lifespan deserves credit.
TBH I still beg to differ. You cannot just lump together every socket from AMD and from Intel and claim they're equally bad. In my opinion you need to look at the comparable platforms instead. So for Intel those would be the single socket non-HEDT versions of the Core i/Xeon Ex processors from 2010 onward, and for AMD the Phenom II, FX and Ryzen processors released in the same period.
Let's take AMD first. I count three sockets here: AM3, AM3+ and the current AM4.
For Intel I see socket 1155, 1150, 1151 rev.1 and 2, and now 1200. That's five. And that's without paying attention to those other little differences Intel introduced which have made it near impossible to use a motherboard for more than one CPU generation.
It's logical that the socket has to change when changing the memory type, since all modern CPUs have the MMU on-die. But in my mind Intel isn't even trying to keep motherboards compatible for more than one CPU generation.
azrael-
But in my mind Intel isn't even trying to keep motherboards compatible for more than one CPU generation.
corrected that for you. The fact that the motherboards haven't offered that speaks for itself. It's not by accident.
The intel equivalent to AM1 was BGA
What I like AMD for compared to Intel is that the atx B450 chipset motherboard in this pc can handle from a £50 processor with integrated graphics right up to a 16c/32t processor with an m.2 slot, 4 x sata and 4xdimms. Cost me £79.99 new on offer. Intel is nowhere near this flexibility. AM4 is such a versatile and forward thinking socket
AMD's handling of AM4 is decent. Not amazing but decent. Obviously better than Intel's garbage with 1151.
These motherboards are a very hard sell when we already know there's a 500-series chipset (the one with PCIe 4.0 support) launching with Rocket Lake, supposedly still some time this year. There's a chance these Z490 boards will be forwards-compatible, but I wouldn't take that bet.
Spud1
Not everyone clearly, but if you go back and look at any news posting for AMD and then look at the equivalent from Intel or Nvidia…comments on AMD are overwhelmingly positive, wheras Intel & Nvidia are constantly put down, regardless of whether it's valid or not.
Problem is both those, for want of a better term, have become lazy. Both are in competition with the same company as well. I can't think of 2 huge tech companies who have almost totally different products (for a bit anyhoo) who have been in such a dominant position against the same company and have become so complacent because of the success
would rather pay more that I could use many more series of CPU's in… instead of having two buy CPU + MOBO all the time… overall AMD is cheaper and better.. so I don't get the Intel way.
Better late than never I suppose. Z490 was suppose to be released a year ago.