Good luck finding customers
Cr@ig;4191085
Good luck finding customers
Why? XPS laptops typically perform and sell well.
You don't have to leave your house to buy one either.
Until they offer configurations with AMD CPUs too, I can't see the appeal of choosing Dell (and similar OEMs') systems in the current environment where AMD offers serious performance and better value.
Never underestimate the pull of that intel badge. It still holds weight, despite any review or reason.
If that really _is_ the XPS 17 on the right it seems a terrible shame to have omitted the numeric keypad. There's plenty of room for it.
excalibur1814
Never underestimate the pull of that intel badge. It still holds weight, despite any review or reason.
Absolutely. I remember back in the days of the Athlon64 and P4. You'd have had to be mad to buy a P4 but my work bought them by the pallet.
I can definitely see where there are some workloads which are simply optimised for Intel. Also, stability problems and little niggles here and there and everywhere are still apparent in AMD software.
If I was buying a machine for workstation use of this size, I'd not buy one without a numeric keypad. Yes you can plug one in but that's desk space wasted and more hardware to buy, store, break, etc.
I suspect a lot of IT departments are looking at the latest AMD hardware compared to Intel's position and seriously considering their positions. I hope common sense prevails.
My kid sister have a laptop that i think hold a dualcore semperon or something like that, it is pretty miserable for sure, so fortunate for her she don't use it often.
And i would love to buy 2 new AMD laptops, one for her and one for me.
Also don't get the hybrids, with a brand spanking new AMD heart but a Nvidia GFX.
A numeric keypad is a total irrelevance to me so the lack of is a plus to me.
I like the small bezels and that its more than 1920 x 1080. If its touchscreen and a reasonable price then i will be interested.
excalibur1814
Never underestimate the pull of that intel badge. It still holds weight, despite any review or reason.
TBH I think the Dell badge has more sway in companies than the Intel badge. Dell's consumer gear has a pretty bad rep but I think the business Dell range is still good reliable stuff.
Hence I have always said, I will believe AMD are making proper inroads when I can buy an AMD based Dell workstation. Frankly, a decent HP one would be a nice start.
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Until they offer configurations with AMD CPUs too, I can't see the appeal of choosing Dell (and similar OEMs') systems in the current environment where AMD offers serious performance and better value.
Quality is the main reason - the XPS range (particularly the XPS 13) is really well put together, good components, very good casing, good support and at a sensible price.
I don't quite get why the fact it's an intel is a massive turn off - the chips provide good performance, the machines will be priced sensibly, so what's the issue?
I am typically an Intel buyer purely based on the performance for my use case scenario in desktops, but in laptops i'm much less picky, particularly when neither the latest AMD or Intel chips have a particular advantage over the other in the vast majority of use cases.
The OEM and build quality matters much more to me. Sadly Dell are still refusing to put a dGPU in their 13" chassis so i'm holding out for the Surface Book 3's which are also expected soon. Fingers crossed MS make another gaming ultrabook this time around :)
The previous one had gorgeous display, almost as good as mac's).If the battery life is as good as mac's air, the price is competitive, bild quality is already fine, why not=)
Spud1
I don't quite get why the fact it's an intel is a massive turn off - the chips provide good performance, the machines will be priced sensibly, so what's the issue?
It's a matter of there being a lack of choice in CPU manufacturer. Not offering AMD CPUs too just isn't giving fair comparisons and choices for the OEMs' customers, when it's entirely possible that AMD would be the better and/or preferred route for their desired usage cases.
That's not to say Intel wouldn't be the better and/or preferred route for some, but rather that the more types of CPUs that are available, the more choice and configurability there would be and thus it would be better for the customers (and possibly the OEMs' profits too).
Spud1
Quality is the main reason - the XPS range (particularly the XPS 13) is really well put together, good components, very good casing, good support and at a sensible price.
I don't quite get why the fact it's an intel is a massive turn off - the chips provide good performance, the machines will be priced sensibly, so what's the issue?
I am typically an Intel buyer purely based on the performance for my use case scenario in desktops, but in laptops i'm much less picky, particularly when neither the latest AMD or Intel chips have a particular advantage over the other in the vast majority of use cases.
The OEM and build quality matters much more to me. Sadly Dell are still refusing to put a dGPU in their 13" chassis so i'm holding out for the Surface Book 3's which are also expected soon. Fingers crossed MS make another gaming ultrabook this time around :)
Pricing so far has AMD 8 core laptops priced equivalent to intel 6 core laptops, which is a pretty big gulf in performance. Sensible pricing would be i9s for ryzen 7 money, and no-one's offering that
Xlucine
Pricing so far has AMD 8 core laptops priced equivalent to intel 6 core laptops, which is a pretty big gulf in performance. Sensible pricing would be i9s for ryzen 7 money, and no-one's offering that
Only if you need the extra cores, which most people don't yet…real world performance is largely similar, so it comes down to pricing. I'm not in any way saying that a specific Intel mobile option is generally “better” or “worse”, just that as with the desktop lineup, which is better for you depends on your use case and how much you can afford to spend…
Sadly I don't think we'll ever realistically get one OEM producing AMD and Intel “versions” of the same machine - at least not in the mid-high end sector…the boards & components are typically custom designed for a given chassis, and the cost of producing two designs that give consumers essentially the same thing doesn't make sense. Very different to the PC market where most parts are off the shelf so its much cheaper to offer flexibility.
We're more likely to see specific OEMs siding with Red or Blue imo, but I don't really care - if someone can make a 13" Ultrabook with good single thread performance & a current gen dGPU…i'll be all over it. Don't really care if its AMD, Intel, Nvidia, or all three :)
Spud1
Only if you need the extra cores, which most people don't yet…real world performance is largely similar, so it comes down to pricing. I'm not in any way saying that a specific Intel mobile option is generally “better” or “worse”, just that as with the desktop lineup, which is better for you depends on your use case and how much you can afford to spend…
Sadly I don't think we'll ever realistically get one OEM producing AMD and Intel “versions” of the same machine - at least not in the mid-high end sector…the boards & components are typically custom designed for a given chassis, and the cost of producing two designs that give consumers essentially the same thing doesn't make sense. Very different to the PC market where most parts are off the shelf so its much cheaper to offer flexibility.
We're more likely to see specific OEMs siding with Red or Blue imo, but I don't really care - if someone can make a 13" Ultrabook with good single thread performance & a current gen dGPU…i'll be all over it. Don't really care if its AMD, Intel, Nvidia, or all three :)
In CPU limited games you can see faster performance on the ryzen side, and this will get worse with the new consoles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sePCp3LwEC0For web browsing they're all the same as a chromebook, but a lot needs the cores these days. At best the intel matches the ryzen chip, and it's beaten soundly in real world tests like battery life. “Good performance” doesn't include getting beaten in every way by price equivalent competition
Super secret image accidentally slips out…. and it….. it looks like…. a laptop.
Wow, I can see why they'd want this kept under wraps.
Our work machines are Dell. Mine is a Precision 3530 with an i7 8850H and 32GB of RAM, but I'm special and get a fancy one. Everyone else has a 13" one for easy portable hotdesking.
I presume these are actually cheaper than any AMD option, though. We don't buy anything unless it's cheap… or unless the supplier is a mate of the CEO!! :D
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Until they offer configurations with AMD CPUs too, I can't see the appeal of choosing Dell (and similar OEMs') systems in the current environment where AMD offers serious performance and better value.
and don't forget amd offers instability, and over heating procs.
six_tymes
and don't forget amd offers instability, and over heating procs.
Not sure where you got that from, as I would consider AMD to be very stable, with no overheating issues.
I agree, AMD is a different processor entirely these days
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Until they offer configurations with AMD CPUs too, I can't see the appeal of choosing Dell (and similar OEMs') systems in the current environment where AMD offers serious performance and better value.
Who's got a job now? Again good luck finding customers as I predicted?
Who's got a job now??? As I predicted who's going to buy one?
Cr@ig;4193713
Who's got a job now? Again good luck finding customers as I predicted?
By ‘current environment’ I was referring on this particular occasion to the Zen 2 architecture's existence, providing a lot of performance, including in laptops with their new 4000 series mobile Ryzens (judging from a Linux Tech Tips video recently for the latter).
As for the effect the lockdown is having on the ability of people to buy, there will still be some people buying now (other than the obvious work-from-home orders), even it's likely a lot less than in normal times, and after things get back to normal there will probably be an increase in demand again.