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Posted by QuorTek - Fri 01 Nov 2019 16:38
Ryzen seem to get me the best value for the money on all platforms currently, so AMD, Intel seem to expensive compared to what you get and if it all comes down to that this or that game is at 150 and 162 FPS depending on what CPU then uhm… I wont be able to see the difference anyway haha :D
Posted by cheesemp - Fri 01 Nov 2019 16:40
Personally I'd go Ryzen as I think Intel don't deserve my cash (Hyperthread security, late to the 7nm/8+ core party) however I've no ideal when I can afford to replace my still very well working OC'd 3570k… (The joys of parenthood expenses)

I also really like AMD commitment to forward/backwards socket support.
Posted by Dashers - Fri 01 Nov 2019 16:51
I'm a PCIe hog, so whatever provides good value-for-money in the HEDT arena. Which looks like currently:
* Ryzen Threadripper 2920X: 12 core Zen+ from Oct 2018 12nm.
* Core i9-10900X: 10-core Cascade-Lake-X from like, now ish (can't see it for sale), 14nm.

As I can't find anybody selling the Intel chip yet, going on RRP, $649 for AMD vs $599 for Intel.

Boils down to whether I think an extra $50 for 2 more cores on an already insane amount is worth the money. The Intel 12-core variant is $50 more again, that seems like a silly purchase, but saving $50 is not to be sniffed at.

Probably the rest of the platform would be the deciding factor, i.e. what the chipsets provide, motherboard options and their respective costs.
Posted by DanceswithUnix - Fri 01 Nov 2019 17:00
I have a spare 2200G kicking around, so probably Ryzen next time some box needs an upgrade. But even if it is one of the family machines, I suspect a 3600 would be the way to go.

Edit: Oh and the 2600X is under £120. Hardest part I think is choosing the right motherboard.
Posted by mercyground - Fri 01 Nov 2019 17:03
until Intel finally sort out the mess of their Spectre infested chips (and thats looking to be 2022 at earliest as Ice Lake is only partially patched in hardware and the recommendation is to disable HT completely) I'm firmly in the AMD camp. Throw on top of that if you DO use Intel chips you are looking at 20% hit in performance if you do use them with mitigation's in place (Intel benchmark with mitigation's OFF fyi).

Now if only OEMs would do a decent non throttling Ryzen laptop i'd be happy. oh and stop trying to run laptops “apple” silent. Or at least have an alternate fan profile so you can run flatout without the chip throttling cos the fan doesnt feel like making it self heard.
Posted by azrael- - Fri 01 Nov 2019 17:10
Of these two choices, definitely AMD Ryzen. Ever since Intel moved the memory controller on-chip and chose to artificially limit ECC support to Xeons no “Core” processor has found its way into my PC.

But even if the choice had been between AMD Ryzen and Intel Xeon the answer would've been the same. It's just the all-around better deal.
Posted by kalniel - Fri 01 Nov 2019 17:22
I'll let you know in 9 years time..
Posted by LSG501 - Fri 01 Nov 2019 17:51
If I was to update Threadripper when it gets updated if I'm being totally honest. But then I also know there's likely another update next year so might even hold off for that instead.
Posted by h4d3z - Fri 01 Nov 2019 17:57
Ryzen ftw
Posted by nar53 - Fri 01 Nov 2019 17:59
Built a new one a couple of months ago its rocking an Intel i9 9900k.
Posted by DavDarkelf - Fri 01 Nov 2019 18:05
Ryzen. I have a 1600x currently so won't be upgrading anytime soon though.
Posted by Quartz - Fri 01 Nov 2019 18:06
If my current PC were to fail I would replace it with an AMD solution. Ryzen or Threadripper.
Posted by Valantar - Fri 01 Nov 2019 18:08
I don't know if my next PC build will be the upcoming upgrade to my HTPC or refreshing my main rig when my research grant comes in next year, but I'll be going with AMD regardless. When they are either so close as to make no difference, tied with or faster than Intel's offerings while offering more cores, better platform longevity, and with the company not being completely horrible (to the degree any corporation can be anything but, of course) again unlike Intel - I see no reason to not go AMD all the way. HTPC will be whatever is the fastest APU available (Renoir would be nice), while the main PC will likely get a 3900X and a “5800 XT” (or whatever it ends up being called). Time to replace the Fury X too.
Posted by spacein_vader - Fri 01 Nov 2019 18:11
DanceswithUnix
I have a spare 2200G kicking around, so probably Ryzen next time some box needs an upgrade. But even if it is one of the family machines, I suspect a 3600 would be the way to go.

Edit: Oh and the 2600X is under £120. Hardest part I think is choosing the right motherboard.

I'm in the market now to replace my haswell i5. Hoping the 2600 comes down to under £100 in the black Friday nonsense. MSI Tomahawk is what I've seen recommended as a midrange board.
Posted by Gentle Viking - Fri 01 Nov 2019 18:33
I cant say as i am on a new build with a 1920X threadripper inside, and this computer will probably have to last me at least 3 years.
But unless they have become too big i hope i will be able to build a all AMD machine again next time.
Posted by Jonj1611 - Fri 01 Nov 2019 18:40
Ryzen, currently have a Ryzen 7 1700X.
Posted by 3dcandy - Fri 01 Nov 2019 18:50
Ryzen for me. Very impressed with my “cheap” 2600 which cost me somewhere just under £300 for 6c12t chip, mobo, 1 tb nvme ssd with a great turn of speed and 32 gig of 2400 ddr4 ram. I'd be no where that spec if I went Intel
Posted by Korrorra - Fri 01 Nov 2019 18:52
Likely AMD for the next 10 years. I am currently waiting for Ryzen 4000 in 2020. Then I will likely use that for another 5-6 years and maybe a Ryzen 5000 if AMD keeps the same socket. The thing that really annoys me about AMD is that the marketing is still shady as hell. It seems that AMD hasn't learned from bulldozer. AMD marketing is still doing some scummy crap.
Posted by FRISH - Fri 01 Nov 2019 19:04
Hard to know, prob won't be for a while. With the way things are now, intel doesn't appear to be making much progress any time soon and they do tend to be more expensive. I only just upgraded to a 3600, so by the time I upgrade things can be very different. The one thing I will take note of however is trying not to upgrade as soon as a new release comes if I can help it, I was lucky to not have it too bad, but others seem to have had bigger issues.
Posted by syristix - Fri 01 Nov 2019 19:08
Ryzen 3900 already planned for xmas. Performance, price and a company I feel that are trying to innovate while team intel have stifled all attempts at pushing boundaries simply because they didn't have to. Now they are behind the 8 ball and their attempts to rebadge new launches with the same Nm technology is both transparent and desperate. The pendulum has swung away from them and is now at polar ends of the scale. This is also not healthy so I hope they get back in the game and we have an even choice next time I do a build as choice is key and choice drives competition and sensible pricing.
Posted by vMax65 - Fri 01 Nov 2019 19:24
For me it just comes down to use case and budget at the time I upgrade and it just does not matter whether it is Intel or AMD. Currently on a 8700K which will see me through at least 2 or more years of gaming and a bit of mixed workloads.

When I next upgrade, I will just buy the very best CPU that my budget allows be it AMD or Intel. With the renewed competition, it only looks good for me and everyone else.
Posted by globalwarning - Fri 01 Nov 2019 19:31
Ryzen… I've got a 1700X, and the upgrade path is there. It will probably have to wait until Ryzen 4, though, as my upgrade path is:

1.) 27“ 1080p 60Hz -> 27 or 32” 1440p 144HZ
2.) GTX 1070 -> something newer
3.) X370 ->X450 (although I'm hoping X550 will become a thing)
4.) 1700x -> 3700 or gen 4 equivalent
Posted by malculator - Fri 01 Nov 2019 19:46
I've never spent any cash on AMD processors since owning my first PC. In fact I've only ever built one AMD system in the past (16 years), which wasn't for me anyway. However, fed up of Intels' lack of innovation and skyrocketing prices, not to mention endless security issues, I thought it's time to give the other team a go. Last Christmas I took the plunge and bought myself a Ryzen 2700X. I might upgrade the processor to say a 3700X or 3900X somewhere down the line, but I'm happy with what I've got for now.
Posted by simonpreston - Fri 01 Nov 2019 20:17
Likely to be a another Ryzen for me. I'm looking to replace the Ryzen 1700 with a 3700X, once the price is down to a level it makes the swap worthwhile.
Posted by Hoonigan - Fri 01 Nov 2019 20:30
I've just made the decision and upgraded from an Intel Core i7 7700K which was delidded and capable of 5.0GHz. Even at that, I was finding the CPU hitting 100% across all 8 threads in games like Forza Horizon 4 and Battlefield V when trying to reach the 120Hz or 165Hz refresh rates of my monitors.

Swapped out for a Ryzen 7 3700X and it's miles better.
Posted by Output - Fri 01 Nov 2019 22:13
Defintely Ryzen.

Not only do AND products tend to have more value for money, but they also tend to have better longevity (Intel frequently requires new sockets for new CPU generations) and support their products with updates for longer, squeezing more performance and out of them and adding new features via driver improvements for as long as they are able to (thinking of GPUs in this particular case, but it likely applies to an extent to CPUs too).
Posted by will19565 - Fri 01 Nov 2019 22:19
meh, for a desktop flip a coin, AMD processors cost less than intel one, but AMD motherboards cost more than Intel ones, not that phased by the absence or presence of PCIe 4 as the PCIe 3 SSDS are plenty fast for me.
for a laptop definitely Intel, although if they can bring Zen 2 cores to mobile then I would be really interested.
for a win10 tablet intel or ARM (depending on how the surface pro X turns out)
Posted by atomicWAR - Fri 01 Nov 2019 23:06
I am waiting on PCIe 5.0 and DDR5 based CPUs to launch. As a 4K gamer using an old Ivy bridge based E5 1680 V2 (8C/16T) @4.3ghz my GPU, a RTX 2080Ti, is still my bottleneck for now. Every game I play still has 99% GPU utilization and with more games going 8+ threads I still have enough life in my system to wait this out, I hope. Usually my CPU utilization is sub 75% per thread and/or sub 60% on all threads. I usually wait till a single core hits 85% (per thread or as a whole) before upgrading. All of that said I am leaning hard towards AMD at the moment but ultimately whomever has the best overall IPC, not just in gaming, will likely be choice vendor. That or whomever gets DDR5/PCIe 5 out the door first if price/IPC is similarish like it is right now.
Posted by =assassin= - Fri 01 Nov 2019 23:18
Currently, I'm much more likely to go with AMD I would say, mainly because they offer so much more value in the 8 core/16 thread segment I am leaning towards, but my final choice will come down to price/performance in games at whatever point it is I finally go for the build. Since I feel I could hold on a bit longer before upgrading, barring any premature hardware failure, my main target will likely be something like a 4700X this time next year.
Posted by TooNice - Sat 02 Nov 2019 00:28
Probably won't have a desktop in the foreseeable future, making Intel the most likely CPU in the next PC (well, technically I already bought my “next PC”, it's an i7 based laptop). AMD options in the laptop scene is just too limited, and the odds that the laptop I want turns out to have an AMD CPU is slim (the CPU is fairly low in priority when I pick a laptop as anything modern is not likely to hold me back).
Posted by EvilCycle - Sat 02 Nov 2019 11:28
I don't plan on changing out my 7700k for another couple of years yet as it's mostly a gaming rig, but if I was in the market right now I would be holding out for the new Ryzen chips 100%.

When I am actually in the market in a few years though, it will simply come down to which CPU gives me the most gaming performance and compatibility for my budget, I am not bias and I don't even buy the best value components, I just get the fastest I can possibly afford and hope it lasts.

TL/DR - AMD unless things shift by the time I am in the market again.
Posted by Iota - Sat 02 Nov 2019 12:14
No plans to upgrade at all currently, built a new gaming PC for myself (Intel) and a new household PC for my mum (Ryzen). Both are suited to what they're respectively used for.

I am however impressed with the Ryzen, but really dislike the cooler mounting on the AMD system compared to Intel. That is literally my only gripe.
Posted by Phrontis - Sat 02 Nov 2019 12:52
Neither.
It'll be a monster Threadripper for the next build. Just waiting for the motherboards to come out with at least 2 PCIe 4 M2 slots that can be setup in RAID 1, even better would be 4 M2 slots that could be setup in 2 pairs of RAID 1. One pair for the OS and the other for data.
I tend not to update my PC's very often, I build fairly high end and then 5 or 6 years later do the same, been doing it since the early 90's, it works for me. I think I'm on build 5 at the moment and its around 4 years old, so towards the end of next year maybe.
Posted by Phage - Sat 02 Nov 2019 12:54
Just dropped in a 3800x into my X370 board. Much cheaper than a new board and chip from Intel
Posted by DanceswithUnix - Sat 02 Nov 2019 13:47
Phage
Just dropped in a 3800x into my X370 board. Much cheaper than a new board and chip from Intel

I have to wonder what percentage of the chips pulled during these upgrades get put into new motherboards to be re-used. There should be quite a market for cheap motherboards compatible with old chips (I notice some X570 boards aren't compatible, or cheap).
Posted by Percy1983 - Sat 02 Nov 2019 14:53
Already gone Ryzen recently with a 3700x, helping a friend spec a PC and he has asked for a Ryzen chip (probably 3600).

Seems if you want money isn't an object for every last frame its intel, but if you do any productivity (like me) its Ryzen and if its a budget/mid range gaming PC its Ryzen.
Posted by thewelshbrummie - Sat 02 Nov 2019 21:11
Clearly I'm in the minority (as in no one else so far has said anything other than Ryzen). However, I build around motherboard features & want my next build to be mATX - which basically rules out Ryzen as there's nothing on the AMD side with built-in wifi, 2x m.2 slots and a decent number of Sata sockets for the hybrid gaming rig/DAS that is my preferred way of going.

Therefore, unless there's an AMD motherboard that I've missed (with forum posts both here and elsewhere coming up empty), I'll be going 10th gen Intel when it's released.
Posted by spacein_vader - Sat 02 Nov 2019 22:07
thewelshbrummie
Clearly I'm in the minority (as in no one else so far has said anything other than Ryzen). However, I build around motherboard features & want my next build to be mATX - which basically rules out Ryzen as there's nothing on the AMD side with built-in wifi, 2x m.2 slots and a decent number of Sata sockets for the hybrid gaming rig/DAS that is my preferred way of going.

Therefore, unless there's an AMD motherboard that I've missed (with forum posts both here and elsewhere coming up empty), I'll be going 10th gen Intel when it's released.

Depending on your definition of decent (this board has 6,) SATA ports this could be your solution. https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/TUF-B450M-PRO-GAMING/
Posted by Percy1983 - Sun 03 Nov 2019 01:03
spacein_vader
Depending on your definition of decent (this board has 6,) SATA ports this could be your solution. https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/TUF-B450M-PRO-GAMING/

I thought the same thing and just add USB/PCIE wireless to whichever spec required, hardly a big compromise.
Posted by Euphonium - Sun 03 Nov 2019 02:24
Ryzen. Intel might technically have the best single thread performance and all-core overclock speeds, but the price they charge is WAY too high for me to justify. I need good performance/£ more than I need performance at any price.

Besides, for gaming purposes my i7-3770 @4.2GHz still does everything I need it to.
Posted by theleader - Sun 03 Nov 2019 08:44
Ryzen!!!!:mexican:
Posted by SlickR - Sun 03 Nov 2019 09:30
Dashers
I'm a PCIe hog, so whatever provides good value-for-money in the HEDT arena. Which looks like currently:
* Ryzen Threadripper 2920X: 12 core Zen+ from Oct 2018 12nm.
* Core i9-10900X: 10-core Cascade-Lake-X from like, now ish (can't see it for sale), 14nm.

As I can't find anybody selling the Intel chip yet, going on RRP, $649 for AMD vs $599 for Intel.

Boils down to whether I think an extra $50 for 2 more cores on an already insane amount is worth the money. The Intel 12-core variant is $50 more again, that seems like a silly purchase, but saving $50 is not to be sniffed at.

Probably the rest of the platform would be the deciding factor, i.e. what the chipsets provide, motherboard options and their respective costs.

Ryzen 3000 desktop variants offer more performance than Ryzen 2000 threadripper, you'd be better off buying the 3900x or actually waiting few more weeks and getting the new 3000 series threadripper.
Posted by SlickR - Sun 03 Nov 2019 09:49
thewelshbrummie
Clearly I'm in the minority (as in no one else so far has said anything other than Ryzen). However, I build around motherboard features & want my next build to be mATX - which basically rules out Ryzen as there's nothing on the AMD side with built-in wifi, 2x m.2 slots and a decent number of Sata sockets for the hybrid gaming rig/DAS that is my preferred way of going.

Therefore, unless there's an AMD motherboard that I've missed (with forum posts both here and elsewhere coming up empty), I'll be going 10th gen Intel when it's released.

There are several boards with build in wifi and 2x and more m2 slots. The MSI PRESTIGE X570 CREATION, the Asus X570 Crosshair VIII Hero, there are TWO versions one that comes with built in wifi6, the Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI).

There are several boards that come with 3+ m.2 slots as well, etc… There are very high quality x570 boards out there for sure.
Posted by Jonj1611 - Sun 03 Nov 2019 09:58
SlickR
There are several boards with build in wifi and 2x and more m2 slots. The MSI PRESTIGE X570 CREATION, the Asus X570 Crosshair VIII Hero, there are TWO versions one that comes with built in wifi6, the Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI).

There are several boards that come with 3+ m.2 slots as well, etc… There are very high quality x570 boards out there for sure.

That's great but they stated they wanted MATX
Posted by 3dcandy - Sun 03 Nov 2019 10:27
thewelshbrummie
Clearly I'm in the minority (as in no one else so far has said anything other than Ryzen). However, I build around motherboard features & want my next build to be mATX - which basically rules out Ryzen as there's nothing on the AMD side with built-in wifi, 2x m.2 slots and a decent number of Sata sockets for the hybrid gaming rig/DAS that is my preferred way of going.

Therefore, unless there's an AMD motherboard that I've missed (with forum posts both here and elsewhere coming up empty), I'll be going 10th gen Intel when it's released.

2 x m.2 and m-atx not too many Intel boards with that either. This is basically as the chipset setup means a second m.2 slot needs a bit more work and space is at a premium on an m-atx board.
However you could use an m.2 to pci-x adapter easily enough. Choice is yours I guess but I kinda think your logic is a bit skewed
Posted by edmundhonda - Sun 03 Nov 2019 13:09
thewelshbrummie
Clearly I'm in the minority (as in no one else so far has said anything other than Ryzen). However, I build around motherboard features & want my next build to be mATX - which basically rules out Ryzen as there's nothing on the AMD side with built-in wifi, 2x m.2 slots and a decent number of Sata sockets for the hybrid gaming rig/DAS that is my preferred way of going.

Looking at PCPartPicker, there's precisely 1 z390 mATX motherboard with at least 2 m.2 slots, at least 6 SATA ports, and built in wifi, the snappily named Asus TUF Z390M-PRO GAMING (WI-FI). 2 more boards if you count 4 SATA ports as enough. 0 b450, x470 or x570 boards that fit those requirements.

There's nothing wrong with wanting a very specific set of features! Unfortunately for you, mATX is far less popular than it used to be.
Posted by PMMEASURES - Sun 03 Nov 2019 17:47
Ryzen probably - I not gaming hardcore enough to really need to go Intel top end cherry picked silicon to gain 5-6 FPS in games in 4K. I think for me PCIe lanes available is more important on any future CPU think next system for me will be a PCie5 hopefully AMD will spit something out soon.
Posted by Percy1983 - Sun 03 Nov 2019 21:10
edmundhonda
Looking at PCPartPicker, there's precisely 1 z390 mATX motherboard with at least 2 m.2 slots, at least 6 SATA ports, and built in wifi, the snappily named Asus TUF Z390M-PRO GAMING (WI-FI). 2 more boards if you count 4 SATA ports as enough. 0 b450, x470 or x570 boards that fit those requirements.

There's nothing wrong with wanting a very specific set of features! Unfortunately for you, mATX is far less popular than it used to be.

They did state 10th Gen Intel, it it probably won't work on that board as with intel new CPU = new board, so who knows what will be available.
Posted by big_hairy_rob - Sun 03 Nov 2019 23:31
I cant even decide between current GPUs (mainly through lack of pertinent reviews), so have next to no chance of deciding this…
Posted by Presto86 - Mon 04 Nov 2019 11:00
Ryzen most likely next year, an 8 core something at the moment I have i5 6500.
Posted by jnutt - Mon 04 Nov 2019 11:58
I went Ryzen 3700X and I'm well pleased with the result :D
Posted by Zatoichi - Mon 04 Nov 2019 15:24
cheesemp
Personally I'd go Ryzen as I think Intel don't deserve my cash (Hyperthread security, late to the 7nm/8+ core party) however I've no ideal when I can afford to replace my still very well working OC'd 3570k… (The joys of parenthood expenses)

I also really like AMD commitment to forward/backwards socket support.

Ha. Same boat here.
I5 3570k and 2 kids

I'm looking at a Ryzen 5 3600 core upgrade.
Twice as fast multi core and 25% single core performance for £370 all in.

Holding out for as long as I can.
Posted by Millennium - Mon 04 Nov 2019 16:32
Zatoichi
Ha. Same boat here.
I5 3570k and 2 kids

I'm looking at a Ryzen 5 3600 core upgrade.
Twice as fast multi core and 25% single core performance for £370 all in.

Holding out for as long as I can.

I would recommend go for at least sixteen threads for your next one. Even if you have to get an earlier gen ryzen. They are whole threads.
Posted by deeppow - Mon 04 Nov 2019 16:47
Ryzen Threadripper 1920x running at 3800Mhz.
Posted by Spud1 - Mon 04 Nov 2019 16:54
It's too early to say - depends entirely on what Intel's new CPUs are capable of in real world scenarios. AMD currently have it licked for multi threaded performance, and Intel have maintained the lead in single threaded performance. Currently, most software I use (almost all the games, Visual Studio etc) are only using 1-4 threads at most (with most being 1-2) so single core performance is still king for me.
If I had to buy right now, I would go Intel. I likely will next year when intel release their new chips. If I had to consider the cost, I would likely go for a Ryzen. It's such a shame that this year's Ryzen could barely even equal Intel's single core performance (which is a relatively old product now), they just didn't move the needle there at all.

It's very much like the graphics card market - AMD are the underdogs here and there, and in both cases offer the best value for money, whilst their competitors offer a better product for gaming, but charge a lot more for it.

You very much need to look at your actual use case (rather that synthetic benchmarks) and budget and then you can decide pretty easily imo.

FYI: I am still rocking a Skylake 6700k @ 4.4 - there is absolutely no need for me to upgrade at the moment, given that even the most expensive Intel or AMD option right now will give me a massive…5-10% performance increase in gaming. Both would offer me much bigger advantages in anything multi core (streaming for example), and the Ryzen chips in particular…but as it is, no real world benefit to upgrading.
Posted by Zak33 - Mon 04 Nov 2019 17:55
Dashers
I'm a PCIe hog, so whatever provides good value-for-money in the HEDT arena. Which looks like currently:
* Ryzen Threadripper 2920X: 12 core Zen+ from Oct 2018 12nm.
* Core i9-10900X: 10-core Cascade-Lake-X from like, now ish (can't see it for sale), 14nm.

As I can't find anybody selling the Intel chip yet, going on RRP, $649 for AMD vs $599 for Intel.

Boils down to whether I think an extra $50 for 2 more cores on an already insane amount is worth the money. The Intel 12-core variant is $50 more again, that seems like a silly purchase, but saving $50 is not to be sniffed at.

Probably the rest of the platform would be the deciding factor, i.e. what the chipsets provide, motherboard options and their respective costs.

I'm not fully up with this, but the 3rd gen Ryzens are PCI 4.0 with the right board.
https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/133721-amd-ryzen-7-3800x/

So that might be a way forward too? Though it's very possible that I'm miles out of my depth…
Posted by Scryder - Mon 04 Nov 2019 19:15
Most likely Intel Core for me, probably another i7. I've never been a fan of the Red team.
Posted by Bambooz - Mon 04 Nov 2019 20:38
Just replaced my 2011 vintage i7-2600k, 32GB DDR3-1600 and ASRock Fatal1ty P67 Performance with a Ryzen 7 3700X, 64GB DDR4-3200 and an Asus ROG Strix X470-F (because screw X570s with their fans and costing nearly 100eur more for the same board feature set). Kept the GTX1080 I had in the i7. So I guess that answers that question…
Posted by Shane74 - Tue 05 Nov 2019 00:41
My last AMD cpu was about 17 years ago!
I buy what is the best and available at the time of upgrade/new build.
AMD finally has it this time, Can't wait.
It's either 3950x or depending on clock speeds the next gen Threadripper, I have always been on the HEDT platform but the 3950x is almost at that level on the mainstream end which is amazing.
Currently on 5 year old Haswell 5960X, It's done well and the longest running pc I have ever owned, Usually build a new every 2 years but have not needed to with it.
Posted by Percy1983 - Tue 05 Nov 2019 01:08
Zatoichi
Ha. Same boat here.
I5 3570k and 2 kids

I'm looking at a Ryzen 5 3600 core upgrade.
Twice as fast multi core and 25% single core performance for £370 all in.

Holding out for as long as I can.

I have just come from a 3570k to a 3700x, the difference is massive. In my case I also do photo/video editing, if not I would have gone for the 3600.

ps, only one kid here.
Posted by UnderSiege - Tue 05 Nov 2019 03:18
I'm still getting along ok using an Asus ROG laptop of rapidly accumulating vintage (i7 4720HQ, GTX 970m 3Gb, 16Gb RAM, m.2/SSD storage and 1080p… which won't max out anything relatively recent or new anymore) and also have a custom build (i7 6700K, GTX 1070, 16Gb RAM, all m.2 storage and 2560x1080) that I'm currently waiting to get back to grips with… it's been in storage for a year and I've had health issues leading to me not gaming anything like as much as I'd like nor to the extent to make an upgrade worthwhile anytime soon (nm that illness has left me broke)

Mind you, I only really play games and when able to am very glad of that escape/luxury, so dropping or tweaking settings to keep fps up is ok by me, though most of my games tend to be strategy so either lower requirements or higher fps levels not needed so much.
However, if I were upgrading the desktop at least right now, and possibly anytime in the next 1-2 years at least, then I'd definitely be looking at a Ryzen… probably 3600X through to 3800X depending, or whatever AMD do next. AMD's catch up over the last couple of years has been incredible tbh, and they're still climbing.
I'd also if possible take the opportunity to upgrade GPU and monitor/resolution too, a 5700XT at least, or whatever AMD release to compete higher, and 3440x1440, like I originally had in mind but couldn't stretch to 3 years ago. I'd then use the replaced parts as the core to build a mostly emulation PC for my more retro gaming oriented gf… win-win.
Posted by anonekun - Tue 05 Nov 2019 05:52
I would like to go to Ryzen but there is so much BIOS/software tweaking here and there, and i'm not geek enough for that. So, for now, I decided to pick i7-9700 (non-K) and see what they're offered in the next 2-3 years. Based on the software I used Photoshop (digital painting) and Blender (3D modeling) seem single thread performance still kicking the most.
Posted by jonah - Tue 05 Nov 2019 08:47
Ryzen always. Intel just aren't good value.
Posted by Phage - Tue 05 Nov 2019 18:17
DanceswithUnix
Phage
Just dropped in a 3800x into my X370 board. Much cheaper than a new board and chip from Intel

I have to wonder what percentage of the chips pulled during these upgrades get put into new motherboards to be re-used. There should be quite a market for cheap motherboards compatible with old chips (I notice some X570 boards aren't compatible, or cheap).

Sold it to a bloke on OCUK forums.
Posted by Dashers - Wed 06 Nov 2019 09:49
SlickR
Ryzen 3000 desktop variants offer more performance than Ryzen 2000 threadripper, you'd be better off buying the 3900x or actually waiting few more weeks and getting the new 3000 series threadripper.


Desktop variants only have 24 PCIe lanes. You need to go to HEDT for 64 PCIe lanes (plus other advantages, such as quad channel memory and so on).

Zak33
I'm not fully up with this, but the 3rd gen Ryzens are PCI 4.0 with the right board.
https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/133721-amd-ryzen-7-3800x/

So that might be a way forward too? Though it's very possible that I'm miles out of my depth…


This is a good point, whilst it's not only the number of lanes (as above), the tech version is important. The reality is, both brands are a viable option and it will depend largely on what technology is available when I need to upgrade.

Which one has the latest PCIe tech etc., which SKU will provide the maximum life-span. And at the moment, my Haswell-E is showing no signs of straining, I haven't even overclocked it yet. So it'll probably be another year or two before I start looking seriously and the landscape then could be quite different.
Posted by DanceswithUnix - Wed 06 Nov 2019 09:53
Phage
Sold it to a bloke on OCUK forums.

Cool, so yours was re-used, probably generating a motherboard sale.

My 2200G is back in the box it came in, on the assumption one day I will build another box around it. There are a few machines around here that would be benefit from that as an upgrade, funds willing (which after a big dental bill they currently aren't :( ).
Posted by DanceswithUnix - Wed 06 Nov 2019 10:00
anonekun
I would like to go to Ryzen but there is so much BIOS/software tweaking here and there, and i'm not geek enough for that.

There was one setting that I really needed to change, and that was the ram profile which is on the main BIOS page on my board. Without that, my 3200 RAM was only running at 2400. TBH I can't feel any difference, but I paid for 3200 so that was what I was going to have :D

Otherwise, I am geek enough to understand all the settings, and defaults created a system that worked just fine. I did tweak the fan profile for the case fans, but I'm sure an Asus Intel motherboard would have been identical there.

Still, your 9700 should do you fine. A 3700X would have been faster in Blender, but not enough to make a life difference.

Posted by Jonj1611 - Wed 06 Nov 2019 10:01
I agree, I only had to change my ram profile to XMP and that was it. Oh and the fan curve but that wasn't really essential