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Posted by Tunnah - Thu 08 Aug 2019 19:29
It's a liquid heatsink lol. So daft.
Posted by Friesiansam - Thu 08 Aug 2019 21:23
65°C without heatsink and 62°C with. A few millilitres of water doesn't seem to do an awful lot…
Posted by Mr_Jon - Thu 08 Aug 2019 21:24
It positively rolls off the tongue
Posted by Spank - Thu 08 Aug 2019 23:33
I must be really stupid but I don't see how the liquid can cool if it's in a plastic container, now if you could add it to a loop, that might interest me.
Posted by Richh - Fri 09 Aug 2019 00:38
“it'll take a brave soul to want to inject liquid in such close proximity to a storage device.”

Why? If you spill any, just put the plug back in the filler port and rinse the whole drive under the tap. Make sure it's left to dry thoroughly and it'll be fine.
Posted by Major_Trouble - Fri 09 Aug 2019 07:16
That plastic cell containing liquid is just a heat soak. It doesn't really dissipate any generated heat but merely absorbs it. They need a nice finned heatsink stuck on the top to get rid of the heat effectively. Better yet, get rid of the water filled heat soak all together and stick the finned heatsink directly onto the drives components. Added bonus is no potential fluid leaks and cheaper. Daft product.
Posted by blokeinkent - Fri 09 Aug 2019 10:09
As PCIe 4 and NVMe mature and drives are pushed even further I could see inclusion in a loop becoming the norm, so kudos to these guys to bring it attention, but this implementation is daft.

I do look forward to the day all the mobo manufacturers get these wacky shroud/heat-sink ideas out of their system and a regular layout and spacing allow some good blocks on the market
Posted by Percy1983 - Fri 09 Aug 2019 15:50
We know water is great at taking heat away, but the water isn't going anywhere so in theory could hit maximum cooling capacity.

The big thing missing with these things is that in reality you are better off letting the nand run hot (they run faster and live longer), the controller on the other hand could do with cooling to sustain high transfers.

I know it goes against what we generally try and do but some things work better when hot.
Posted by DanceswithUnix - Fri 09 Aug 2019 16:26
Percy1983
We know water is great at taking heat away, but the water isn't going anywhere so in theory could hit maximum cooling capacity.

You mean it could boil? A properly steampunk SSD could be awesome :)

As for working better hot, as long as you don't hit thermal throttling and fall off that performance cliff.
Posted by Hicks12 - Fri 09 Aug 2019 17:39
What a stupid idea, this needs to actually hook into a heatsink to be effective in anyway.

Water is good at taking the heat away in comparison to air but if all you have done is hold a few ml of water around the area you are trying to cool then you are NOT moving the hot water anywhere thus the cool performance is almost non existant. How the hell did this even get released? I thought I came up with some daft ideas at times but this takes the mick…
Posted by jimborae - Fri 09 Aug 2019 21:13
Daft idea, just plain daft :(
Posted by MRFS - Fri 09 Aug 2019 21:52
I'm waiting for a motherboard maker to team up with a custom chassis designer, to experiment with a water-cooled “jacket” that fits between a motherboard tray and the bottom side of an ATX motherboard. Yes, I realize that this is a wild and crazy idea. Nevertheless, in the interest of science, if nothing else, I predict that something can be learned from such an experiment. For example, we have a cheap Rosewill mid-tower that has a fan grill located directly below the CPU socket. Our first try failed, because the 120mm fans in the top of the chassis were so strong, they caused that side panel fan to run backwards. So, we merely reversed that side panel fan, so it now blows INWARD, directly at the CPU socket. If that water jacket idea is just not practical, increased cooling air across the underside of HEDT motherboards might be worth the effort. (Just thinking out loud here: hope this helps.)
Posted by Xlucine - Sun 11 Aug 2019 20:34
It's not a crazy idea, SSDs are bursty race-to-idle devices (unlike the rest of the system, which tends to get tested in steady state conditions). Water is one of the best materials for storing heat (both in specific and volumetric measures), so this'll give a lot of thermal intertia. If it has 20 ml of fluid, fr'example, then you can run a hypothetical 10 W SSD for a minute with a temp rise of only 7 C (ignoring the thermal mass of the rest of the device). The rate of heat shedding could be improved, if that reservoir is acrylic (and shedding 5 W of heat over ~80x20mm) then I figure temperature drop of ~15 C per mm thickness. I'd like to see essentially a vapour chamber filled with water with some fins soldered on the top for ultimate SSD cooling - plenty of mass for bursty workloads, but good heat shedding performance to cool down in-between loading zones in games

DanceswithUnix
You mean it could boil? A properly steampunk SSD could be awesome :)

As for working better hot, as long as you don't hit thermal throttling and fall off that performance cliff.

Heatpipes are as steampunk as it gets
1) boiling water
2) exposed brass (really copper, but it looks the part)
3) exposed pipework

The only way you could improve on that is if you put a dial or a corset on a heatpipe

MRFS
I'm waiting for a motherboard maker to team up with a custom chassis designer, to experiment with a water-cooled “jacket” that fits between a motherboard tray and the bottom side of an ATX motherboard. Yes, I realize that this is a wild and crazy idea. Nevertheless, in the interest of science, if nothing else, I predict that something can be learned from such an experiment. For example, we have a cheap Rosewill mid-tower that has a fan grill located directly below the CPU socket. Our first try failed, because the 120mm fans in the top of the chassis were so strong, they caused that side panel fan to run backwards. So, we merely reversed that side panel fan, so it now blows INWARD, directly at the CPU socket. If that water jacket idea is just not practical, increased cooling air across the underside of HEDT motherboards might be worth the effort. (Just thinking out loud here: hope this helps.)

I see what you're trying to do, but it would be hard (given all the soldered pins poking out the back of motherboards) and most of the hot parts are off the motherboard (either socketed CPU or the GPU). The obvious things to cool are the VRMs, and you can already get cooling kits for those
Posted by MRFS - Thu 15 Aug 2019 20:43
https://www.pcgamer.com/origin-pc-found-a-way-to-dress-up-the-backside-of-a-motherboard/

Origin PC found a way to dress up the backside of a motherboard


https://thinkcomputers.org/origin-pc-introduces-an-internal-liquid-cooling-distribution-motherboard-mount/

ORIGIN PC Introduces an Internal Liquid Cooling Distribution Motherboard Mount
Posted by Xlucine - Thu 15 Aug 2019 23:13
MRFS
https://www.pcgamer.com/origin-pc-found-a-way-to-dress-up-the-backside-of-a-motherboard/

Origin PC found a way to dress up the backside of a motherboard


https://thinkcomputers.org/origin-pc-introduces-an-internal-liquid-cooling-distribution-motherboard-mount/

ORIGIN PC Introduces an Internal Liquid Cooling Distribution Motherboard Mount

It's a neat reservoir, but the only bit that could possibly cool things is the tiny bit behind the southbridge - the rest is going to be more insulating than cooling, PMMA is not a good cold plate material
Posted by MRFS - Mon 19 Aug 2019 02:33
This idea of cooling the underside of motherboards keeps nagging me.

The experience I had with a Rosewill tower chassis may be educational:

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811147107?Item=N82E16811147107&Tpk=N82E16811147107
(cycle thru the images, for a photo of the right-side panel, directly below the CPU socket)

https://images10.newegg.com/BizIntell/item/11/147/11-147-107/2.jpg

My first attempt to install a fan in the right-side panel failed: the larger 120mm fans in the top panel did overpower that little fan in the right-side panel, and forced it to spin backwards.

So, that was an easy fix: I turned that little fan around so it blows INWARD, towards the underside of the CPU socket.

Instead of getting too fancy with a design that water-cools the underside of a motherboard, what do you think of this next idea?

First of all, recognize that hot air rises.

As such, perhaps the very bottom of the right-side panel could be modified with a horizontal row of circular holes for mounting 2 or more intake fans. They would be blowing directly against the bottom end of the motherboard tray.

Then, with exhaust fans in the top panel, those larger exhaust fans will draw that cooler up, along the entire underside of the motherboard tray.

If Porsche can design excellent air-coolers, this simple mod may help to draw heat from the motherboard tray and exhaust it out the top panel.
Posted by MRFS - Mon 19 Aug 2019 02:50
Along those same lines, we could re-think the entire geometry of an ATX motherboard tray.
Instead of large solid areas, narrow U-shaped channels could host the stand-offs, but
otherwise the underside of the motherboard would be “open” for direct contact with
the cooling air that is “rising” up the underside, using the concept discussed above.
Most modern chassis already have large access holes for installing aftermarket CPU coolers.