It would be nice for the reviews to compare the real price of buying a new pc built around the cpu… ie when it's combined with a motherboard because intels HEDT motherboards cost more than ‘consumer’ AM4 boards too which would again make it more expensive to build an intel.
A quick check on prices show intel x299 boards starting around £250 while amd am4 boards start at around £50, although obviously you'd likely be picking slightly higher priced ones, but thats still a huge extra cost to consider in terms of value. Even if you pick mid range AM4 you can still save £100 which is like 16GB of ram or the next step on a gpu.
LSG501
It would be nice for the reviews to compare the real price of buying a new pc built around the cpu… ie when it's combined with a motherboard because intels HEDT motherboards cost more than ‘consumer’ AM4 boards too which would again make it more expensive to build an intel.
A quick check on prices show intel x299 boards starting around £250 while amd am4 boards start at around £50, although obviously you'd likely be picking slightly higher priced ones, but thats still a huge extra cost to consider in terms of value. Even if you pick mid range AM4 you can still save £100 which is like 16GB of ram or the next step on a gpu.
The review does mention this:
hexus
Of course, opting for any of these new chips means investment in an Intel X299-based motherboard, costing north of £200
kalniel
The review does mention this:
true but the tables only compare cpu cost and as we all know a cpu is pretty useless without the motherboard and other parts which can be pretty much standardised across both intel and amd. It actually gives quite a distorted picture of value proposition
LSG501
It would be nice for the reviews to compare the real price of buying a new pc built around the cpu… ie when it's combined with a motherboard because intels HEDT motherboards cost more than ‘consumer’ AM4 boards too which would again make it more expensive to build an intel.
A quick check on prices show intel x299 boards starting around £250 while amd am4 boards start at around £50, although obviously you'd likely be picking slightly higher priced ones, but thats still a huge extra cost to consider in terms of value. Even if you pick mid range AM4 you can still save £100 which is like 16GB of ram or the next step on a gpu.
^^ Agreed
I want to see what threadripper does before I speak negatively about intel xD
Why is 80c an acceptable temperature when OC'ed ? This comment sounds loaded, it's not. I've always been lead to believe that 80c with a custom cooler is way too high, and shows that the chip is breaking far too much of a sweat for the OC applied.
I run a 2700K at 4.8ghz with 1.3v (I think), and it rarely breaks 65c with an NH-D14. Even that kinda makes me feel uncomfortable, but I came from a 2500 that never broke 50c
this review gave me a good laugh. intel new stuff is still overpriced. it did not cost them much to revamp these chips. it just cost them overtime to meet the deadlines. so why are the chips priced so high?? btw the cache excuse is no longer valid for intel.
Here we start to see what having a competitive market does for the consumer. More choice and better value. Even die hard Intel fans should want a strong AMD in the market.
Definitely nice to see some competition in the market as ColinP mentions. I've been on the i7-4790K platform for a while now and whilst I want to upgrade to make use of my NVMe drive (got a 512GB Toshiba XG3 for only £102.50 from CeX), I really can't justify the cost as there hasn't been enough of an improvement in the CPU market in the last few years.
Both Ryzen and this chip seems pretty good but I think Threadripper is going to be the main thing to watch out for for someone like me who both games and does video editing.
Just a thought - you provide the peak power draw during certain benchmark tests. This in itself isn't entirely useful as it is going to complete these tests faster. I wonder if you could map the power consumption during the test over time for the various CPUs and then calculate a power-time integral for each one. This would give the area under the curve and account for the time it takes to complete the task and see if this offsets the higher power consumption. Bang per Watt is very useful also.
Isn't it worth comparing the current price of the CPU competition when doing reviews? The launch price of the 1800x was £499 but right now the price is £400 with no sale yet the 7820x is £540, no longer is it ‘only’ 20% more it's actually 35% which is a huge difference let alone the entire rig cost where the AM4 boards can be significantly cheaper.
Seems Intel hasn't really reacted positively to Ryzen and it shows how unprepared they were! The new platform structure is abysmal even by Intel's standard. Will be interested to see how threadripper compares to skylake X when it launches!
If going to buy a system though or upgrade, it would be stupid to buy Intel though as of current, rather wait a few months and go with what AMD has to offer.
Hicks12
Isn't it worth comparing the current price of the CPU competition when doing reviews? The launch price of the 1800x was £499 but right now the price is £400 with no sale yet the 7820x is £540, no longer is it ‘only’ 20% more it's actually 35% which is a huge difference let alone the entire rig cost where the AM4 boards can be significantly cheaper.
Seems Intel hasn't really reacted positively to Ryzen and it shows how unprepared they were! The new platform structure is abysmal even by Intel's standard. Will be interested to see how threadripper compares to skylake X when it launches!
Hi there,
Prices tend to change quite quickly, so levelling the playing field the best we can, we look at the official pricing from both companies. AMD says that it has instigated no price-drop on the Ryzen 7 1800X, and that it is retailers who have chosen to reduce cost, but I see your point.
Platform costs are a real kicker for Intel. I don't know how much of it is down to a genuine cost of the chipset manufacturing, artificial cost of the chipsets to the board makers, or a premium added by the board makers. When Intel was the only way to get top end performance then the premium price for a motherboard could be justified that way, but doubling the cost of a motherboard for comparable system performance isn't going to win many customers.
Does Ryzen 7 feature infinity fabric?
lumireleon
Does Ryzen 7 feature infinity fabric?
All Ryzen chips use it, even 4 core CPUs. It connects the CCX modules in all of them (Ryzen 3 CPUs should have 2 CCX with 2 cores each). EPYC also uses Infinity Fabric for communication between multiple CPUs in dual socket setups, I think. So, yes, all of the Zen based CPUs have it.
On topic, 7820X actually looks a lot better than 7900X, to the point where I'm sort of tempted by it. It's a shame that Intel's previous prices were so high that they still can't bring such new products down to Ryzen level pricing. Nor, I suppose, would they want to. I still don't like the platform either.
jimbouk
Platform costs are a real kicker for Intel. I don't know how much of it is down to a genuine cost of the chipset manufacturing, artificial cost of the chipsets to the board makers, or a premium added by the board makers. When Intel was the only way to get top end performance then the premium price for a motherboard could be justified that way, but doubling the cost of a motherboard for comparable system performance isn't going to win many customers.
If AMD have opened up the HEDT market to more consumers through their competition then we'll presumably find out - competition between board makers should minimise their margins if they want to attract the previously priced out market. Whereas costs from Intel will just sit there until they feel they need to lower total platform cost (which I think they will struggle to justify while the same motherboard can be used for an i9 as well as lowerish end i7 Xs.)
…..I am still waiting for AMD to make GPUs for smartphones and tablets, any plans on that field?
lumireleon
…..I am still waiting for AMD to make GPUs for smartphones and tablets, any plans on that field?
Nope,since even Nvidia left that area.
Tarinder
Hi there,
Prices tend to change quite quickly, so levelling the playing field the best we can, we look at the official pricing from both companies. AMD says that it has instigated no price-drop on the Ryzen 7 1800X, and that it is retailers who have chosen to reduce cost, but I see your point.
Appreciate it is more work, I dont know if a better solution is compare the top retailers and give an approx price at the time of review? I dont know the answer just in this scenario the price difference is quite high so makes a significant impact on deciding a platform (at least it would to me if I was buying a new one).
Good review as always though!
Hicks12
Appreciate it is more work, I dont know if a better solution is compare the top retailers and give an approx price at the time of review? I dont know the answer just in this scenario the price difference is quite high so makes a significant impact on deciding a platform (at least it would to me if I was buying a new one).
Good review as always though!
Maybe Hexus can state the RRP and current “street price” on the day of the review. If the “street price” is significantly lower it can be mentioned in the article,at RRP XYZ maybe true but in reality its cheaper so ABC is now true.
Like the days on eBay where postage wasn't considered for the seller fees.
Price of the CPU is almost irrelevant with such a vast difference in platform entry cost. This is still a pretty poor value option IMO. Intel needs to do much better.
Agreed with the above comments. Review websites need to provide a better and more objective info about value, that means comparing the total cost of a CPU, Mobo and CPU cooler.
So you pick the same range mobo, same range cpu cooler and compare the overall cost. They don't do that because it shows Intel in an extremely negative light. They can dust off the $180 price difference between the 7820x and 1800x, kind of avoid the elephant in the room that is the 1700x and costing $600 vs the $330 1700x, but in terms of overall cost the Intel platform costs anywhere from the cheapest of $850 to an average of $950.
AMD platform with a 8 core processor Ryzen 1700, b350 board and no need to buy a cooler costs as cheap as $380, on average $400, that is less than HALF the cost of the Intel 8 core platform!
Ozaron
All Ryzen chips use it, even 4 core CPUs. It connects the CCX modules in all of them (Ryzen 3 CPUs should have 2 CCX with 2 cores each). EPYC also uses Infinity Fabric for communication between multiple CPUs in dual socket setups, I think. So, yes, all of the Zen based CPUs have it.
On topic, 7820X actually looks a lot better than 7900X, to the point where I'm sort of tempted by it. It's a shame that Intel's previous prices were so high that they still can't bring such new products down to Ryzen level pricing. Nor, I suppose, would they want to. I still don't like the platform either.
How is the value better? If anything the value is worse, much worse, since the new platform overall would cost anywhere from $850 up to $1000.
Again we are looking at $600MSRP, street prices are closer to $670, decent mobos are $200+ usually $300 actually, and looking at a good cooler is another $100. So 670+250+100=1020. So you are paying $1020 for 8 cores VS Ryzen 1700($300), AM4 B350 mobo($100)=$400. So you get 8 cores for $400 from AMD, no need to buy cooler with the 1700 and it can OC on stock cooler up to 4.0GHz stable on all cores.
You can use the additional $400 to $600 you have left to buy a brand new 1080TI.
is this cpu good for gaming and streaming as i am going to be building gaming pc for streaming ? thank you
garry88
is this cpu good for gaming and streaming as i am going to be building gaming pc for streaming ? thank you
You don't need an i9 for that.
EDIT: Oops wrong part. You don't need 8c/16t for that.